Zimmerman

[Quick_Draw_McGraw]

Since I couldn't possibly dispute it without a LOT of time and effort, I'll stipulate to your point. Thanks for the info. Do you know if there's a particular reason Martin and others in his neighborhood would use the gated community as a shortcut to a convenience store?

That's actually the head scratcher to me. There isn't anything really near there. There are STORES near there, like a Wal-mart and a grocery store, but no gas stations or convenience stores. From where that complex is, its probably a mile walk to any place that sold drinks and snacks.

You can see the complex on google maps here (marked with the A on the map)

I used to live two apt/condo complexes to the west. It's called "lakes edge" now, but it was Plantation Lakes when lived there.

 

[Hobbes]

If the fight were back and forth, why did the witness not see it that way and why did Martin not have a mark on him other than the gunshot wound? As for the pictures, they don't appear to have been taken outside, so my guess is that they were taken at the station. You just shot someone in self defense and killed them and are in the back of a police cruiser on the way to the station. What position are you most likely to hold your head? For that matter, you just shot someone who was on top of you beating you up. You jump up and which direction do you look? According to eyewitness testimony Zimmerman stood over Martin looking down.

There is no witness who saw the entire struggle, only part of it.
You must surely know that.

 

[Hobbes]

If the fight were back and forth, why did the witness not see it that way and why did Martin not have a mark on him other than the gunshot wound? As for the pictures, they don't appear to have been taken outside, so my guess is that they were taken at the station. You just shot someone in self defense and killed them and are in the back of a police cruiser on the way to the station. What position are you most likely to hold your head? For that matter, you just shot someone who was on top of you beating you up. You jump up and which direction do you look? According to eyewitness testimony Zimmerman stood over Martin looking down.

OK, fine.

GZ wasn't bleeding when he was on his back.
ONLY when he was standing over TM's body did he begin to bleed.

 

[Glocktogo]

OK, fine.

GZ wasn't bleeding when he was on his back.
ONLY when he was standing over TM's body did he begin to bleed.

Care to provide us with a list of your medical training, pretty please?

 

[Hobbes]

Care to provide us with a list of your medical training, pretty please?

I'm agreeing with N2. You'll have to ask him about that.

 

[Glocktogo]

I'm agreeing with N2. You'll have to ask him about that.

Oh I think you made it quite clear as to how you believe his wounds did or did not bleed. Problem is, it didn't make any sense.

 

[Hobbes]

Oh I think you made it quite clear as to how you believe his wounds did or did not bleed. Problem is, it didn't make any sense.

Just because you don't agree with someone or don't understand doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.

You know what doesn't make sense? Blood flowing uphill around the neck of someone lying on their back.

 

[Glocktogo]

Just because you don't agree with someone or don't understand doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.

You know what doesn't make sense? Blood flowing uphill around the neck of someone lying on their back.

Then start by stating how long he was (or wasn't) on his back before the injuries occurred. Also, exactly how long was he on his back after the injuries occurred, but before the shot? How long after the shot before he got up? How long before the picture was taken? Was anything applied to the wounds between the time the occurred and the picture taken? If he wasn't on his back when the injuries occurred, can you provide a plausible counterargument as to how they occurred?

You can't, because you don't have these answers. Without them, any theory as to how or why is nothing more than speculation. That's why I'm countering your arguments. They're as weak as the prosecution's were. If you believe that Zimmerman murdered Martin, that he was on top and that Martin was an innocent victim, then all you have to do is come up with a plausible counterargument. So far, you haven't.

 

[Hobbes]

I just want to see the part where the blood is flowing toward the back of his head, at any time.
Don't see any evidence that GZ was bleeding while lying on his back.
I do see evidence the other way.

It doesn't take a doctor to know that gravity causes liquids to flow downwards,
.

 

[Glocktogo]

I just want to see the part where the blood is flowing toward the back of his head, at any time.
Don't see any evidence that GZ was bleeding while lying on his back.
I do see evidence the other way.

It doesn't take a doctor to know that gravity causes liquids to flow downwards,
.

So provide your counterargument as to how the injuries occurred. I'm waiting.