Living in a time of war

[Dave70968]

As I said, IMHO killing a living, breathing baby in a late term abortion is murder. There is a huge amount of legal opposition and support for this, but it evolves down to politics and semantics.
You agree its a stretch to call it terrorism, but in that agreement you are saying it could possibly be. So, again, we agree to disagree, but not so much in this case. ( I feel I'm participating in a trial.) lol
So, since your taking the liberal line here, 'Terrorism is "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."
I'll run with that statement and say that late term abortion is terrorism because if the law were changed to not allow late term abortions, that whole statement could be used to prosecute somebody.
Its all about how the democrat party has written the laws, and the Republicans have defunded it to prevent domestic terrorism.

Wow. A dictionary definition is "the liberal line?" What color is the sky on your planet, and how many moons do you sleep under? And no, I didn't agree that it "could possibly be [terrorism]," unless you interpreted an implied reductio ad absurdum as agreement. Do you really think fetuses feel intimidated by what happens to another fetus? Wouldn't they have to be aware of what happened in another womb to be intimidated? What, do you think they get CNN in there?

And you still haven't provided any evidence of abortion being murder for the purpose of discussing crime statistics. You're welcome to believe what you want, but reality is that which doesn't go away when you stop believing in it. The fact is, for the purpose of criminal justice, abortion isn't murder. That's not a moral statement, it's a statement of law. And it's a factually true statement of the law as it exists right now.

You just can't bring yourself to admit the truth of what I'm very narrowly saying, despite your "great reading skills, and interpretation of the same," can you?

 

[donner]

Wow. A dictionary definition is "the liberal line?" What color is the sky on your planet, and how many moons do you sleep under? And no, I didn't agree that it "could possibly be [terrorism]," unless you interpreted an implied reductio ad absurdum as agreement. Do you really think fetuses feel intimidated by what happens to another fetus? Wouldn't they have to be aware of what happened in another womb to be intimidated? What, do you think they get CNN in there?

And you still haven't provided any evidence of abortion being murder for the purpose of discussing crime statistics. You're welcome to believe what you want, but reality is that which doesn't go away when you stop believing in it. The fact is, for the purpose of criminal justice, abortion isn't murder. That's not a moral statement, it's a statement of law. And it's a factually true statement of the law as it exists right now.

You just can't bring yourself to admit the truth of what I'm very narrowly saying, despite your "great reading skills, and interpretation of the same," can you?

Reading is hard.

But let's make this more fun. By Dennis' logic, Arkansas just murdered two prisoners last night since some people consider the law to be wrong and the act morally reprehensible. Clearly it's just more examples of 'right-wing terrorism' (and yes, there is a lot of intended sarcasm there)

Oh, and his goalposts keep moving. First it was 'abortion' now it's 'late term abortion' (which is illegal in most places already and rarely performed unless medically necessary to save the life of the mother, i believe)

 

[D. Hargrove]

The religious side of the abortion issue is very simple and drives a majority of practicing Christians to their opinions, tolerances and beliefs.
Catholic Church - opposes abortion in all circumstances
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints “elective abortion for personal or social convenience is contrary to the will and the commandments of God.”
Episcopal Church - recognizes a woman’s right to terminate her pregnancy, the church condones abortion only in cases of rape or incest, cases in which a mother’s physical or mental health is at risk, or cases involving fetal abnormalities.
Southern Baptist Convention - “all human life is a sacred gift from our sovereign God and therefore … all abortions, except in those very rare cases where the life of the mother is clearly in danger, are wrong.”
United Methodist Church - opposes abortion, it affirms that it is “equally bound to respect the sacredness of the life and well-being of the mother and the unborn child.”
Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod - “since abortion takes a human life, it is not a moral option except to prevent the death of the mother.”
Jewish teachings - sanction abortion as a means of safeguarding the life and well-being of a mother. While the Reform, Reconstructionist and Conservative movements openly advocate for the right to safe and accessible abortions, the Orthodox movement is less unified on the issue.

Looking at the makeup of SCOTUS, all are either Catholic or Jewish, with a 6-3 favor towards Catholic.
Anthony Kennedy Roman Catholic Reagan 1988
Clarence Thomas Roman Catholic G.H.W. Bush 1991
Ruth Bader Ginsburg Judaism Clinton 1993
Stephen Breyer Judaism Clinton 1994
John Roberts (Chief Justice) Roman Catholic G.W. Bush 2005
Samuel Alito Roman Catholic G.W. Bush 2006
Sonia Sotomayor Roman Catholic Obama 2009
Elena Kagan Judaism Obama 2010
Neil Gorsuch Raised Roman Catholic, attends Episcopalian Church[68] Trump 2017

Questions that might be asked are: Can a devout Catholic support abortion? Can a devout Southern Baptist accept Pro Choice? One cannot argue with religious beliefs that are held at the heart of the believer, neither can one fundamentally put aside their beliefs in order to satisfy the perceived populace majority. With the 6-3 favor on the SCOTUS seems that Roe VS. Wade may be in danger as we speak, this in itself is a form of war in these politically charged times.

 

[donner]

The religious side of the abortion issue is very simple and drives a majority of practicing Christians to their opinions, tolerances and beliefs.....

....Questions that might be asked are: Can a devout Catholic support abortion? Can a devout Southern Baptist accept Pro Choice? One cannot argue with religious beliefs that are held at the heart of the believer, neither can one fundamentally put aside their beliefs in order to satisfy the perceived populace majority. With the 6-3 favor on the SCOTUS seems that Roe VS. Wade may be in danger as we speak, this in itself is a form of war in these politically charged times.

The religious makeup of the court really isn't any different than it was with Scalia, though. One Catholic replaced another, i believe.

I think a person can hold the belief that a practice is morally wrong while still not try to legally impose that belief on others. We do it all the time.

 

[D. Hargrove]

I think a person can hold the belief that a practice is morally wrong while still not try to legally impose that belief on others.

Concur completely with this statement. The religious makeup is pretty much the same as it was. The difference potentially is that as the older members are replaced with younger members on the Court, there is in fact the possibility that opinions based on the changing times (acceptance/tolerance/New norms) may come to surface. Acceptance of Liberal ideology in the contemporary society can be and is at times in direct contrast to the "Rule According to Higher Law." This allows for a direct conflict in the minds of the morally conscious. Just my .02 cents worth. Great talk, thank you.

David

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

Sloughing off your desire to kill the unborn behind "settled law" is cowardly. If you support abortion, say so. While you are at it, thank God or your lucky stars(which ever leads your life) that your mother didn't abort you.

Woody

 

[Glocktogo]

These new windmills look fun!

 

[donner]

Sloughing off your desire to kill the unborn behind "settled law" is cowardly. If you support abortion, say so. While you are at it, thank God or your lucky stars(which ever leads your life) that your mother didn't abort you.

Woody

the disingenuousness of your statement aside, you could easily say that you should thank God your neighbor hasn't killed you, the mussies haven't come to get you in your sleep and that we've created Lipitor to save you from your self.

Oh, and not to mention being born minus a terminal and painful issue that'd prevent you from living more than a few hours in complete pain. And that you weren't attached to a part of your mommy that would have ended her life had she carried you to term.

 

[donner]

These new windmills look fun!

Come on, this is OSA. It's all windmills all the time

 

[dennishoddy]