Google Censors Guns and Ammo

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Google is not the merchant, the merchant is. When you use google shopping, you are purchasing it from the online store, not google. They are just a marketing center, and get paid for it. To me, it would be like the yellow pages telling J&K bullet casters, or any of our sponsors, they cant sell guns, knives, accessories, and be listed in the phone book.

Censorship, Def. any person who supervises the manners or morality of others
"Google Shopping should be safe for all users. User safety is everyone’s business, and we can’t do business with those who don’t agree. "
"Google Shopping should be compatible with Google’s brand decisions. Google Shopping must be compatible with company brand decisions. Our company has a strong culture and values, and we’ve chosen not to allow ads that promote products and services that are incompatible with these values." Straight from the letter.

If you read the letter in its entirety, it is censorship. It even says it will not promote things that do not follow its values. Tell me how porn, sex toys, etc fall into those values, but weapons don't? Another reason they say is laws and regulations, they wont do it because they might break the law. But if you look at the list of allowed and not allowed items, they will still allow tasers, pepper spray, airsoft guns etc. However, its regionally limited based upon country etc. Why not do the same with weapons? http://support.google.com/adwordspolicy/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=176077
 

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Google is not the merchant, the merchant is. When you use google shopping, you are purchasing it from the online store, not google. They are just a marketing center, and get paid for it. To me, it would be like the yellow pages telling J&K bullet casters, or any of our sponsors, they cant sell guns, knives, accessories, and be listed in the phone book.

I look at google shopping more like a shopping mall. The owners of the mall can decide what stores do business in their mall. They may not be merchants themselves but they're still doing business. In this case, Google has decided to not take money from firearm/ammo merchants. It's their right to decide how they do business with. It's nothing like telling any of our sponsors that they can't be listed in the phone book because you can still FIND them using Google. As it were, I found both BANG and Sooner State Pawn with a Google search. Heck, Google was even kind enough to provide a map for Sooner State Pawn.

Censorship, Def. any person who supervises the manners or morality of others

They aren't supervising the manners or morality of anyone. They are simply living according to THEIR OWN MORALITY. Just because you don't agree with their morality doesn't mean that they're trying to control yours. If that's what they were after you wouldn't be able to find sites like gunbroker.com by using a "guns for sale" google search. Google isn't the first business to decide that firearms are a risky proposition and they won't be the last.

If you read the letter in its entirety, it is censorship. It even says it will not promote things that do not follow its values.

As stated above, not promoting things that don't follow your values doesn't mean that you're attempting to influence/control the values of others.

Tell me how porn, sex toys, etc fall into those values, but weapons don't?

I'm not saying that I agree with their values, but I also recognize that they aren't deliberately trying to control mine. One beautiful thing about this country is that there are many different value systems, and that's ok. The very fact that they allow gun/ammo books (sources of knowledge), rifle scopes, and hunting accessories tells me that they aren't trying to censor anything, they're just trying to mitigate their own risk. Think about it, if they were trying to control your morality/values by removing gun/ammo knowledge, do you think they'd allow the sale of gun BOOKS????
 
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So now Google is going to treat Americans the same way the Chinese treat their citizens. Kind of hypocritical since Google constantly complains about being censored by the Chinese Government.
 

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I'm not hung up on the definition of censorship or whether it is google shopping or their search function. Assuming this is true, the fact is we all as 2A supporters should "shop/search" somewhere else. +1 on post #17's Hello Bing.com/shopping.
Oh, don't forget the other folks you should think about boycotting also...Conoco/Phillips (Phillips 66), Westinghouse and Target.
 

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I'm not saying that I agree with their values, but I also recognize that they aren't deliberately trying to control mine. One beautiful thing about this country is that there are many different value systems, and that's ok. The very fact that they allow gun/ammo books (sources of knowledge), rifle scopes, and hunting accessories tells me that they aren't trying to censor anything, they're just trying to mitigate their own risk. Think about it, if they were trying to control your morality/values by removing gun/ammo knowledge, do you think they'd allow the sale of gun BOOKS????

scope rings - no results
burris - no results
quad rail - results
anything caliber related - no results
scope - no results
rifle scope - no results
rifle sling - 1 results
chronograph - results
thumb safety - no results
butt pad - no results
anal bum cover - 1 result
rcbs - results
hoppes - results
100yd target - results
recurve bow - results
front sight - no results

seems like they've just got things that slip throug the cracks. any gun-related brand name seems to be gone

if you type in "remingto", it autocorrects and you get lots of results.
if you type in "remington" you get one item.
 

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So now Google is going to treat Americans the same way the Chinese treat their citizens. Kind of hypocritical since Google constantly complains about being censored by the Chinese Government.

Spot on. I hear next that Google is going to adopt a one child policy and push for the elimination of all workers rights. Right after that, they're coming for your right to vote.
 

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I'm not hung up on the definition of censorship or whether it is google shopping or their search function. Assuming this is true, the fact is we all as 2A supporters should "shop/search" somewhere else. +1 on post #17's Hello Bing.com/shopping.
Oh, don't forget the other folks you should think about boycotting also...Conoco/Phillips (Phillips 66), Westinghouse and Target.

It's best to not get hung up on the definitions of words because then we can just use them fluidly to accuse people/companies of doing things when we don't agree with their values. Seriously though, if you're honestly offended that they don't allow for the sale of weapons in their market, don't use them as your search engine. If you don't think they've analyzed the potential financial loss from the decision, I'm betting you're wrong.

What did Conoco/Phillips do? It's going to take something pretty drastic for me to stop buying gas from an American producer.
 

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