Is reconciliation with the Taliban possible?

[JB Books]

I knew that would stir the fire...lol

Rinse and repeat.

 

[Glocktogo]

Evil men have hid behind women and children for eons. We do generations of women and children who live in fear of their hatred and despotism no favors by allowing them to be used as human shields. It's sad and regrettable that they're such cowards as to do this, but that should not keep us from meting out justice when necessary. Fat Man and Little Boy killed far more innocent civilians than anything we could ever do in Afghanistan, yet they were considered the humane way to end a war. Perhaps if we were willing to make the tough choices our braver generations made, we wouldn't be willing to enter into conflicts so frivolously?

 

[JB Books]

Perhaps if we were willing to make the tough choices our braver generations made, we wouldn't be willing to enter into conflicts so frivolously?

Great logic! Others have felt the exact same way! You're in great company!

Henrich Himmler Ponzan, Poland 1943 Speech to SS Officers...

"I ask of you that that which I say to you in this circle be really only heard and not ever discussed. We were faced with the question: what about the women and children? – I decided to find a clear solution to this problem too. I did not consider myself justified to exterminate the men - in other words, to kill them or have them killed and allow the avengers of our sons and grandsons in the form of their children to grow up. The difficult decision had to be made to have this people disappear from the earth. For the organisation which had to execute this task, it was the most difficult which we had ever had. [...] I felt obliged to you, as the most superior dignitary, as the most superior dignitary of the party, this political order, this political instrument of the Führer, to also speak about this question quite openly and to say how it has been. The Jewish question in the countries that we occupy will be solved by the end of this year. Only remainders of odd Jews that managed to find hiding places will be left over.

[video]http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/himmler-poznan-large.mov[/video]

 

[3inSlugger]

eeeekkkk. JB could make a nun look like Dolly Parton.

 

[Glocktogo]

Great logic! Others have felt the exact same way! You're in great company!

Henrich Himmler Ponzan, Poland 1943 Speech to SS Officers...

"I ask of you that that which I say to you in this circle be really only heard and not ever discussed. We were faced with the question: what about the women and children? – I decided to find a clear solution to this problem too. I did not consider myself justified to exterminate the men - in other words, to kill them or have them killed and allow the avengers of our sons and grandsons in the form of their children to grow up. The difficult decision had to be made to have this people disappear from the earth. For the organisation which had to execute this task, it was the most difficult which we had ever had. [...] I felt obliged to you, as the most superior dignitary, as the most superior dignitary of the party, this political order, this political instrument of the Führer, to also speak about this question quite openly and to say how it has been. The Jewish question in the countries that we occupy will be solved by the end of this year. Only remainders of odd Jews that managed to find hiding places will be left over.

[video]http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/himmler-poznan-large.mov[/video]

Incredible leap of logic there counselor. Perhaps we should rebrand you as Superlawyer?

Bonus points for Godwining the thread! [Broken External Image]

 

[JB Books]

Godwin shmodwin...it is the logical extension of what you were advocating. And again, I ask you, as I have asked some of your peers, what the Hell does my profession have to do with the topic?

 

[JB Books]

eeeekkkk. JB could make a nun look like Dolly Parton.

I could also make Dolly Parton look like a nun, or Jenna Jameson look like a vestal virgin.

 

[11b1776]

or Jenna Jameson look like a vestal virgin.

That would be a tall order!!!

The Taliban and the West/pro-western money governments have to many fundamental differences to reconcile IMO. I did see that BinLaden had a fairly large porn collection at his raided house, so maybe not as different as we think??? Lol

 

[flatwins]

So I read the thread. It read blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Jenna Jamison blah blah blah blah blah blah. ;-)

 

[Glocktogo]

Godwin shmodwin...it is the logical extension of what you were advocating. And again, I ask you, as I have asked some of your peers, what the Hell does my profession have to do with the topic?

It is an illogical extension of YOUR ridiculous argument, not mine. I was stating that if a nation expects to be free of unprovoked attacks by evil men, they might need to retaliate using measures that ANY sane person would find abhorrent. Using "sterile" forms of warfare and so-called "limited warfare" is a surefire method to entice evil men into further attacks, thereby prolonging war and by extension, making it far less humane. "War is hell" as William Tecumseh Sherman said. I also find considerable merit in his reply letter to the city council of Atlanta in 1864:

You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out. I know I had no hand in making this war, and I know I will make more sacrifices to-day than any of you to secure peace. But you cannot have peace and a division of our country. If the United States submits to a division now, it will not stop, but will go on until we reap the fate of Mexico, which is eternal war. I want peace, and believe it can only be reached through union and war, and I will ever conduct war with a view to perfect and early success. But, my dear sirs, when peace does come, you may call on me for anything. Then will I share with you the last cracker, and watch with you to shield your homes and families against danger from every quarter.

As contentious as the peace between the North and South may be still yet, it pales in comparison to any sort of "peace" we may broker with barbaric savages such as the Taliban. No unconquered enemy combatant will ever respect you. I propose that we break any and all contact with them, as nothing positive will ever come of it. Barring that logical choice (and I'm not sure why we'd ever want to do so), I contend that we should march into their enclaves with the complete and unrestrained might of the United States war machine, and we should not stop until they choose either the complete and unconditional surrender of a truly vanquished foe, or their own annihilation. Their choice.

Respect is earned and we've done nothing of the sort.

Apparently you misinterpreted what I wrote if you're suggesting that not allowing evil terrorist attackers to hide behind women and children is the moral equivalent of gassing Jewish females and children, instead of simply killing innocent Jewish male non-combatants. My bad for assuming that English Comp 101 was a prerequisite for a Doctorate of Jurisprudence I guess?

P.S. Since you're a paid, professional master debater, I was merely using an honorific commensurate with your status. Why, does it bother you? If it does, rest assured that I will use it early and often! Don't be offended dear sir, it's merely my cantankerous nature. A leopard would more readily change it's own spots!