You can build a gun. I think you can even sell it, but you should be careful doing this. They can nail you for not having an FFL if you do it enough. And only "they" get to decide what enough is.
I think you can build several a year, too, without being considered a manufacturer. Don't know about selling, though. That's where it might get real interesting with the ATF.
You need to have the gun designed and blueprinted before continuing.
If you just go to somebody and say "I want it to be this long,wide,tall and kind of look like this or that" and leave it up to them to make it. It is then their design not yours. They could patent it and you paid for their prototype developement.
(Been there done that.)
You can make prototypes without a ffl. They must be marked with ATF approved markings listing your name,city,state. and a serial # which is usually something like #EXP2102011-1 if you made it today. they are for R&D and not to be sold. If you make them for sale. You have to have a 07 mfg license and pay excise tax on each one produced.
If you just go to somebody and say "I want it to be this long,wide,tall and kind of look like this or that" and leave it up to them to make it. It is then their design not yours. They could patent it and you paid for their prototype developement.
(Been there done that.)
You can make prototypes without a ffl. They must be marked with ATF approved markings listing your name,city,state. and a serial # which is usually something like #EXP2102011-1 if you made it today. they are for R&D and not to be sold. If you make them for sale. You have to have a 07 mfg license and pay excise tax on each one produced.
just do the "postage stamp" copyright.
All you have to do is make a copy of your design, put it in an envelope and mail it to yourself.
Do not open it when you get it back because if you take someone to court over the copyright, the judge will accept the date of the cancelation as the date that you designed it and considered it your property.
All you have to do is make a copy of your design, put it in an envelope and mail it to yourself.
Do not open it when you get it back because if you take someone to court over the copyright, the judge will accept the date of the cancelation as the date that you designed it and considered it your property.
I'll post pic's and specs when I get my provisional pattent "patent pending". Tony with Tromix had come to my mind but last I knew he was back logged about 18 months, and the guy over at S&H came to mind as well. Thanks to everyone that has offered help so far, I am sure that I'll be contacting you over the next few days.
I'm going to have to partner with someone on this concept (with the cans and cantd) due to the fact that I'm just not a gunsmith..
Just alittle teaser....
Completly new design on the firing system (bolt mech)
Completly new firearm design on the form of the weapon.
Again thanks to everyone that has contributed thus far and if you have or think that you still can assist me in my voyage please don't hesitate
thanks again
I'm going to have to partner with someone on this concept (with the cans and cantd) due to the fact that I'm just not a gunsmith..
Just alittle teaser....
Completly new design on the firing system (bolt mech)
Completly new firearm design on the form of the weapon.
Again thanks to everyone that has contributed thus far and if you have or think that you still can assist me in my voyage please don't hesitate
thanks again
Patents are expensive and time consuming. Plus you add in the state department! I'd contact the guys at LOKI weapon systems and see what they think.
Gotta get this hopping again, I know a guy that know's Tony over at Tromix I'm gonna get with him this week. Can't wait to get pic's up
