Side Thread: Outlawing hog hunting

[Lurker66]

When it really starts impacting ranchers and farmers, something will be done.

Head down to okfuskee county around any deep fork bottom lands and ask permission to hunt or trap pigs. Wont happen. They'll ***** n whine but wont give permission.

 

[specialist3]

Being a wildlife biologist, I have to agree that wiping out introduced species is a great idea for local native fauna and flora.
Being a wildlife biologist, I also have to agree that everything was once an animal not native to the certain niche before it became accepted. In the real world, you either adapt or die.

I agree hogs should be controlled with more effective means, but they are hardly the worst impact that any native species has seen.

 

[RidgeHunter]

Head down to okfuskee county around any deep fork bottom lands and ask permission to hunt or trap pigs. Wont happen. They'll ***** n whine but wont give permission.

Most people ask to hunt, not trap, and hunting has been proven to be ineffective at controlling hog population growth. It doesn't even come close.

My buddy bitches about his woman, but he won't let me take her home.

 

[dennishoddy]

Good post ElkStalkR: I know exactly what you are saying. The guy in the office next door spent a couple of hours telling me how he had a hog problem. Rooting up his garden, tearing up his lawn, making his alfalfa bottom look like a hog pen. After this he started telling me how much he hated them and wanted to see them gone. That's when I ask him about hunting. The guy looked like I had hit him in the face with a bucket of YOU KNOW WHAT..After a few seconds of silence he started tell me how some guys were already hunting (leased hog hunts) and he didn't want to step on their toes......Yea, sure...he's hating them all the way to the bank......Do away with hog hunting and then the hogs can be done away with....Pretty simple......

I'd like to see all for-profit hog hunting operations be outlawed. "$250, guaranteed boar" Yeah, fine that jackass and make him weedaeat guardrails. He's the problem. Actually it's too late, they should have *****-slapped these guys starting in the late 80's.

Rural rednecks selling hog hunts to fat city rednecks is how we got this problem in the first place. Where do you think the hog explosion came from? Farmers? Ahahahaha. Idiots trapping and transplanting and encouraging the breeding of these giant rats so other idiots can "hunt" them is how we got here. Ask the Missouri Department of Conservation where their hogs came from.

When did the hog population explode? When did these jackasses start propagating "sport hog hunting"? Not a coincidence.



At least Missouri has the stones to say it like it is. Hog hunting culture got us here.

When it really starts impacting ranchers and farmers, something will be done.

Head down to okfuskee county around any deep fork bottom lands and ask permission to hunt or trap pigs. Wont happen. They'll ***** n whine but wont give permission.

Any sumbitch charging to hunt pigs goes to jail. Period, end of story. Take away the incentive, and the pigs will suffer.

 

[Buzzgun]

Sorry to have to tell you guys, but the ODW has been shooting hogs and coyotes from helicoptors for a long time.
I'm pretty sure its over land that they have been given permission to do so.

I have seem them shoot coyotes from helicopters in Osage Co. (Drummond Ranch), the really scary part was that I was on the adjoining property calling coyotes and was dressed in full camo!! I actually had permission to hunt predators on the property they were flying, just glad I wasn't on that place at the time!!

No doubt they have the right to fly over any non restricted property, but I'd have to see proof that they have the right to shoot into that property without permission before I'd believe it.

 

[ElkStalkR]

Yes TX and OK have aerial programs. Just so everybody knows, they MUST get permission to do any aerial depredation on the landowners place.

Of course these aerial programs have not done much on a large landscape basis, granted they greatly help specific landowners for short periods of time, but with hog hunting legalized many landowners will not allow the aerial hunting on there property. Why? Because they are either selling hunts or simply enjoy hunting the hogs themselves.

As it was mentioned above. Take away any and all incenctives to have them and you will do away with your hogs! If people can't hunt them and they are tearing up jake all over the place, suddenly EVERYBODY wants to sign up to have the hogs gone!

When I have more time I will try and dig up some "reading" on Kansas, as asked for.

Some of you have great discontent for government workers and rightfully so, but I am here to tell you when it comes to the business of wildlife damage control the government is quite profcient most of the time. Its just one of those agencies that functions well and has not had its hands "completely tied" yet. Yes it will take time and money. Honestly I'm not sure where all that funding would come from but if you want to see hogs gone forever it is the only way.

 

[dennishoddy]

I'm pretty sure no matter what agency, etc attempts to eradicate hogs will meet with the same failure that the government when they tried to eradicate coyotes in the 50's and 60's. When I was a kid in Osage county, there was a bounty on yotes. Turn in a pair of ears, get $5 or so. Shooting from airplanes was legal, poison was put out, and since there were few fences in Osage county, folks with dogs, on horseback or mules would go after them. Driving down highway 60 between Ponca city and Pawhuska, the fence posts on both sides of the road would have a dead coyote hung from each one, for miles.
Guess what? The government spent a lot of money, and accomplished nothing.
I don't have the solution, just know the government is not going to solve the pig problem.

 

[CHenry]

I'm pretty sure no matter what agency, etc attempts to eradicate hogs will meet with the same failure that the government when they tried to eradicate coyotes in the 50's and 60's. When I was a kid in Osage county, there was a bounty on yotes. Turn in a pair of ears, get $5 or so. Shooting from airplanes was legal, poison was put out, and since there were few fences in Osage county, folks with dogs, on horseback or mules would go after them. Driving down highway 60 between Ponca city and Pawhuska, the fence posts on both sides of the road would have a dead coyote hung from each one, for miles.
Guess what? The government spent a lot of money, and accomplished nothing.
I don't have the solution, just know the government is not going to solve the pig problem.

And hogs reproduce at a much faster rate than yotes.
I dont see a solution to totally eradicate them. Quite impossible I'm afraid.

 

[ElkStalkR]

Hogs have different habits than coyotes and are actually much easier to find and thus kill.

I agree you will never wipe out coyotes. Hogs on the other hand are a different animal. Its mother nature I can't guarantee anything, but much like the government and settlers wiped out the wolves years ago it is not impossible. This is why KS has been successful at keeping hogs out. They aren't coyotes. Apples and oranges. What works on one species probably won't work on the next.

 

[justin_h635]

Did you sell squirrel tails to Mepps Aglia too?

I'm pretty sure no matter what agency, etc attempts to eradicate hogs will meet with the same failure that the government when they tried to eradicate coyotes in the 50's and 60's. When I was a kid in Osage county, there was a bounty on yotes. Turn in a pair of ears, get $5 or so. Shooting from airplanes was legal, poison was put out, and since there were few fences in Osage county, folks with dogs, on horseback or mules would go after them. Driving down highway 60 between Ponca city and Pawhuska, the fence posts on both sides of the road would have a dead coyote hung from each one, for miles.
Guess what? The government spent a lot of money, and accomplished nothing.
I don't have the solution, just know the government is not going to solve the pig problem.