I second that ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Me too.
How many people on this thread are ACTUALLY Union hands or grew up in a Union house?
Spouting some second hand story about "some guy I know who works at the Ford Plant" or your wife's cousin at the Steel Mill doesnt count.
I get to read HR stuff from NON UNION companies in OKLAHOMA every day. Most of it has the same stuff (no more no less except seniorty clauses) than the typical Union contract does (with the exception of UAW -Big 3 contracts up to about 5 years ago).
If your in a UNION the only glaring difference is- If you get discharged or disiplined the UNION will represent you if you need to be made whole.
IF you work NON UNION- you get to lump it or pay for your lawyer.
The public in Wisconsin support Walker and his plan, including many teachers.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...overnor_in_wisconsin_spat_38_side_with_unions
I should also point out that I have been in unions before too. I still think they are just as bad as big business when it comes to excesses.
As for the attempts to blame all the money problems on big oil, we are talking state governments here, not federal. And no, the war on drugs is not the cause either.
Listened to Rush for a while today. (has he gon down hill)... in among the hot air and spin he let the cat out of the bag.
State workers are willing to take concessions.
State workers are not willing to give up the rights to collective bargaining on issues outside of wages.
Wisconsin workers have been taking furlougs for a while. They are residents and taxpayers too- I think they understand more than the "conservative" press gives credit for.
If you listen long enough... you will get to the matter. Even Fox news spin-nado has the facts in the "eye".
Seems the Wisconsin Gov is willing to leave the 3 state worker's unions who backed him alone. This is a political power struggle plain and simple. And if you can divide and conquer the middle class against each other- you get a cookie.
State workers are willing to take concessions.
State workers are not willing to give up the rights to collective bargaining on issues outside of wages.
Wisconsin workers have been taking furlougs for a while. They are residents and taxpayers too- I think they understand more than the "conservative" press gives credit for.
If you listen long enough... you will get to the matter. Even Fox news spin-nado has the facts in the "eye".
Seems the Wisconsin Gov is willing to leave the 3 state worker's unions who backed him alone. This is a political power struggle plain and simple. And if you can divide and conquer the middle class against each other- you get a cookie.
That's a huge 10-4 on that.
It's also about winning the 2012 and beyond elections by undercutting the single largest contributor to democratic candidates.
It always comes down to power.
Mr. Brown, I respectfully disagree with your example.
Should an employer be required to pay employees when they don't come into work or there is no production? How is this fair to the employer? There was an act of God that limited the ability (and safety) for workers to produce, so the bosses made a decision to shut down for the day.
If the employer violated the contract, you have remedies at your disposal without union representation. You can hire a lawyer or file a complaint with the labor board. Many lawyers will work on contingency and can have fees covered if they win the case. If you elect not to exercise your rights, that's your own decision-- not one forced on you by the employer.
I hardly consider what the employer did as being greedy and unethical. It's standard practice at every place I've worked. As a salaried employee, you can work 50 hours Monday through Thursday and if you're not in on Friday, you're not paid for Friday. That's the bad part about working a salaried job.
I hope your wife's employer goes beyond what is required by law (and possibly by the contract) and pays your wife for the snow days based on the extend hours she puts in on a regular basis.
If the contract is for an annual salary they probably owe the money for lost days to weather.(but I have not read Mrs Brown's contract)
Point 2... that's what the contract is for. And if it's a Union contract, the greived employee is represented by the UNION in an effort to be made whole under the terms of the contract.
Salaried workers are among the most abused (per labor laws). I work on a salary basis now days. When I am done, I am done. My terms require 44 hours per week.
Lot's of companies "salary" jobs that are outside what is traditional managerial or professional duties.
Sounds like you need to speak to a labor lawyer....
Latest news is that all of this union stuff is a cover up to cover draw attention away from the budget bill.
Apparently the latest budget has a statue allowing the state to sell its publicly owned utilities to a private entity, without bids or any discretion to competition, at any price seen fit by the gov't. In essence, it will allow a fire-sale of the public utilities to corporations.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/21/947947/-The-Koch-Brothers-End-Game-in-Wisconsin
Now call me a liar and flame me about it, but facts are there.
Apparently the latest budget has a statue allowing the state to sell its publicly owned utilities to a private entity, without bids or any discretion to competition, at any price seen fit by the gov't. In essence, it will allow a fire-sale of the public utilities to corporations.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/21/947947/-The-Koch-Brothers-End-Game-in-Wisconsin
Now call me a liar and flame me about it, but facts are there.
When workers are being laid off and companies are producing less and less, the bosses still have their cushy bonuses and big homes.
It ain't the worker that's bankrupting this country.
Michael Brown
This!
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Being raised in a household where my dad worked IBEC, and I've worked, AFL-CIO, and Teamsters, I can assure you the union bosses have rather large homes and income as well. While on strike, and they are beating the drum to stay on the picket lines, the rank and file are losing their homes, credit ratings, etc, while the union bosses are eating lobster.
I've been 30 years without a union, working with my job knowledge, and willingness to do a days work for a days pay.
I'll work without a union thank you.
