You boys that simp for Government Run Healthcare..... get on in here....

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Speaking locally, if the family in a case like yours would've wanted to pursue care, there wouldn't be any situation where they would take away from someone else, unless the hospital mandated it. St Francis, St Johns, and Hilcrest all have significant ICU capacity available.

Having beds doesn't mean they have the capacity to care for a patient. This was over ten years ago and SFH didn't even have enough ventilators for CICU. The ventilator that was keeping him alive was borrowed from the children's hospital. If someone that actually had a chance to get better had come in and needed a ventilator, I'd feel pretty bad telling them they couldn't have the one keeping my dad, who had no higher brain function, alive because I wasn't ready to let him go.
 

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Having beds doesn't mean they have the capacity to care for a patient. This was over ten years ago and SFH didn't even have enough ventilators for CICU. The ventilator that was keeping him alive was borrowed from the children's hospital. If someone that actually had a chance to get better had come in and needed a ventilator, I'd feel pretty bad telling them they couldn't have the one keeping my dad, who had no higher brain function, alive because I wasn't ready to let him go.

Notice I said ICU capacity not beds. Important distinction. ICU capacity is determined by staffing and resources, not physical room. SFH has entire floors available if that were the case. This information is coming from those that work in said ICUs. I can't speak or reference 1 anecdote from a decade ago.

However, that's another rabbit hole. If we factor in "least likely to make it" scenarios, then that would be fun. IN the end, I'd wager most would want a "local" decision of providers and family to make decisions, in lieu of the government. Going back "least likely to make it"..... could you imagine COVID + .gov with that philosophy?
 

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How does the Indian Health Care System work? Can't only those with Native lineage get care in that system? If so, who needs to give it some serious attention?
Where to start?
As a native who grew up in IHC system, I stopped using it years ago. I have way too many horror stories from myself, kids, family and other friends. Remember tribes are ran off of socialize healthcare, while the tribes practice socialism. 100% government ran facilities and funded.
They have up to date equipment, pretty buildings, horrible doctors. The doctors they hire are generally C/D graduates, ones that has been in trouble or docs looking to get experience to go else where.
It’s a giant experiment. Carl Albert of ADA, was known by the name Killer Carl for a good reason.
I grew up in the community and worked for the my tribe for 20yrs.
Natives in general do not care for themselves. WE know for a fact we can get free food, housing(pay minimal) , and medical from the government. Once we get those 3 things and if we work for our tribe we don’t pay state taxes. (I know some of you will contradict what I’m saying on the taxes, guess what tribe will do them for us for free. Live,work & 90% of biz is on tribal property) so Why care?
CNMC has the most advanced state of the art prescription filling machine in Oklahoma.
Chickasaw nation medical center fills more prescriptions the. All of Walgreens in Oklahoma. I could go on forever.

Since I stopped using free healthcare, I discovered the term “you get what you pay for” and I was a government baby. No more.
We all gripe that we do not want socialism or communism but yet at the end of the day, we love taking part in it, and none of us will stand up and do anything about it. I did for my family and the rest of the community, I chose not to be part of it. Make better choices.
I also starting to take my family’s health MORE important. It’s up to me and my family, not the government to take care of me. I truly believe if we didn’t have the kind of social healthcare we have today everyone Would take their health more important. I understand there’s some things beyond our control that we may need help with. I’m not arguing against that, but I’m talking about every day choices. We can choose to be better instead of being lazy.
I’ll leave you with this food for thought-
We wonder why communism and socialism is spreading so rampant across our country? Just one tribe here in Oklahoma Chickasaw nation has over 70,000 members and 90% of them love the way the tribe is ran off socialism. Now how many tribes do we have in Oklahoma Practice the same socialism techniques? Collectively in the United States, all of your tribes that practice socialism. How many people is this influenced and then each one of them influencing?
 

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