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...what's not up for debate is the fact that climate change is happening right now .. we've been setting record after record for consecutive months for hottest month since record keeping started.
All the records are fake. The numbers are made up. Temperature is only an illusion. It's all a scam. :wink2:
 

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what's not up for debate is the fact that climate change is happening right now .. we've been setting record after record for consecutive months for hottest month since record keeping started.
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The record keeping began a couple hundred or so years ago and does not include any recorded data from the previous 4,499,999,800 or so previous years the Earth has been around. It's somewhat shaky ground to predict the future of the Earth with only .0000044% of data recorded from Earth's history. That, and there is fossil evidence that certain land areas were under water in the past. Now, all we need to do is find a submerged mountain top covered with fossilized bird poop on it to show it was once high and dry.

Climate doesn't change; it fluctuates, is influenced by solar activity, volcanic activity, etc., etc.

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The record keeping began a couple hundred or so years ago and does not include any recorded data from the previous 4,499,999,800 or so previous years the Earth has been around. It's somewhat shaky ground to predict the future of the Earth with only .0000044% of data recorded from Earth's history. That, and there is fossil evidence that certain land areas were under water in the past. Now, all we need to do is find a submerged mountain top covered with fossilized bird poop on it to show it was once high and dry.

Climate doesn't change; it fluctuates, is influenced by solar activity, volcanic activity, etc., etc.

Woody

again .. no where have I stated that man caused climate change or not .. just that climate change is happening right now. witness to all the extremes in weather we have been getting.

here's an interesting read .. about 90 companies are responsible for 2/3 total emissions in the world

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Just 90 companies are to blame for most climate change, this 'carbon accountant' says

Aug. 25, 2016

Last month, geographer Richard Heede received a subpoena from Representative Lamar Smith (R-TX), chairman of the House of Representatives Committee on Science, Space, and Technology. Smith, a climate change doubter, became concerned when the attorneys general of several states launched investigations into whether ExxonMobil had committed fraud by sowing doubts about climate change even as its own scientists knew it was taking place. The congressman suspected a conspiracy between the attorneys general and environmental advocates, and he wanted to see all the communications among them. Predictably, his targets included advocacy organizations such as Greenpeace, 350.org, and the Union of Concerned Scientists. They also included Heede, who works on his own aboard a rented houseboat on San Francisco Bay in California.

Heede is less well known than his fellow recipients, but his work is no less threatening to the fossil fuel industry. Heede (pronounced "Heedie") has compiled a massive database quantifying who has been responsible for taking carbon out of the ground and putting it into the atmosphere. Working alone, with uncertain funding, he spent years piecing together the annual production of every major fossil fuel company since the Industrial Revolution and converting it to carbon emissions.

Carbon dioxide emissions from Carbon Majors
Heede's research shows that nearly two-thirds of anthropogenic carbon emissions originated in just 90 companies and government-run industries. Among them, the top eight companies -- ranked according to annual and cumulative emissions below -- account for 20 percent of world carbon emissions from fossil fuels and cement production since the Industrial Revolution. Click on the "play" button to play through the animated graphics. To view a specific year, pause the animation and hover over the individual charts (or tap on the charts if you are using a mobile device).

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016...me-most-climate-change-carbon-accountant-says
 

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There is not one shred of credible evidence that global warming is happening. Its all computer models that was predicting the warming.
Note I said global warming, the narrative of past.
NASA records over the last 20 years or so disprove any evidence, and the fraud discovered by skewed reports at the East Anglica or what ever its called caused the enviro's to change the narrative to climate change.

The climate has been changing since the beginning of time, and its going to change in the future. Whats alarming about that? The Glaciers have been receding since the end of the ice age, the artic is loosing ice, yet Antarctica is gaining major new ice fields. So much in fact that two ships of eco-tourists got stuck in the ice and had to be rescued.
Core samples taken from the ocean bottom below some glaciers show warming and cooling cycles over the million or so years. We are where we are, and mans miniscule efforts to change it are ridiculous.
Obama makes a great statement getting elected about green energy, and its a code for donors to contribute.
After he got elected, he paid them back. Solyndra and other that went belly up got the gov money and bellied up. Owners profited.
 

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There is not one shred of credible evidence that global warming is happening. Its all computer models that was predicting the warming.
Note I said global warming, the narrative of past.
NASA records over the last 20 years or so disprove any evidence, and the fraud discovered by skewed reports at the East Anglica or what ever its called caused the enviro's to change the narrative to climate change.

The climate has been changing since the beginning of time, and its going to change in the future. Whats alarming about that? The Glaciers have been receding since the end of the ice age, the artic is loosing ice, yet Antarctica is gaining major new ice fields. So much in fact that two ships of eco-tourists got stuck in the ice and had to be rescued.
Core samples taken from the ocean bottom below some glaciers show warming and cooling cycles over the million or so years. We are where we are, and mans miniscule efforts to change it are ridiculous.
Obama makes a great statement getting elected about green energy, and its a code for donors to contribute.
After he got elected, he paid them back. Solyndra and other that went belly up got the gov money and bellied up. Owners profited.

gotta disagree .. without question global warming is happening. what's up for debate is what's causing it .. man made or natural cycles?
is it a natural cycle lasting a few hundred years? .. recent history shows climate was very different .. look no further then the little ice age (1300-1850). London used to close down during winter with everything froze over .. with huge events held on the frozen river Themes.

our world is HUGE .. so it would take an equally huge event and/huge number of events to have a hope of changing things on a global scale. well emissions caused by burning fuel globally has long reached that scale. some cities like Mexico City and Beijing, etc. etc. have pollution so bad folks have to wear masks.

one HUGE vulcano event size of Mt Helens .. injected emissions that covered half the globe.
IMHO global warming is a combination of both man made emissions and natural cycles.

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Five biggest volcano eruptions in recent history

The eruption at Eyafjallajökull volcano in Iceland has been hugely disruptive to world travel. But as a volcanic event, it's barely worth mentioning.

April 18, 2010
images.csmonitor.com_csmarchives_2010_04_0418_Pinatubo_eruptio942e055f97ced95dff1a2048254ad509.jpg


http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2010/0418/Five-biggest-volcano-eruptions-in-recent-history
 
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And way back, Oklahoma was covered in water after the glaciers receded. Our local lake is cover in limestone with trylobites and other fossils in the rocks around it.
The world is changing and will change forever. We will have cold and we will have hot cycles.
Just saying the floods in Louisiana is a sign of a global event is not right. Its a local event and has nothing to do with any global environmental event that is going to have any effect on the rest of us.
In Northern Ok we just went through three years of major drought. This year we have had so much rain and cooler than normal weather temps that we can't get tomato's to grow on our vines.
Is that indicative of a global weather pattern of cooling or warming? No its not.
One can't point to any individual weather event to make a case for any scientific study. Its all computer models.
 

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No one seems to be revealing or even taking into account that astronomers have noted similar and coincident fluctuations on Mars and the gas giants. The only thing we have in common with those other planets is --- wait for it --- THE SUN!!!

Ipso facto.

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And way back, Oklahoma was covered in water after the glaciers receded. Our local lake is cover in limestone with trylobites and other fossils in the rocks around it.
The world is changing and will change forever. We will have cold and we will have hot cycles.
Just saying the floods in Louisiana is a sign of a global event is not right. Its a local event and has nothing to do with any global environmental event that is going to have any effect on the rest of us.
In Northern Ok we just went through three years of major drought. This year we have had so much rain and cooler than normal weather temps that we can't get tomato's to grow on our vines.
Is that indicative of a global weather pattern of cooling or warming? No its not.
One can't point to any individual weather event to make a case for any scientific study. Its all computer models.

screw computer models .. look at what's happening on the ground. anyone that's outside all the time like you doesn't need anyone to tell you that we have been getting extremes in weather. like you already pointed out, look at the drought conditions that the mid-west just come out of. now we are getting record breaking hot months.

there's not really much debate that the earth is warming up .. on top of glaciers melting adding to ocean mass .. what really affects sea levels is water expansion due to rise in temps. just a fraction of a degree would have a HUGE impact on volume, which of course effects sea levels. with many communities built at or below sea levels, small changes in sea level could have a huge impact .. like we are seeing with more to come.

again ... what's really scary is the HUGE frozen methane deposits that could be released into the atmosphere. methane is one of the worst gases in terms of green house effect .. 72x worst than CO2 and most refrigerants used in HVAC. to put things in perspective CO2 currently makes up 82% of total emissions .. methane is 9% but way more potent. HFC makes up about 2% and is highly debated as to how much harm it does vs the economics of constantly forced changes by EPA. naturally the equipment mfg LOVE change so they get to sell more new AC equipment.

with all the emissions put out by man kind .. IMHO there is NO way those emissions have no effect globally ... now how much effect is a topic of debate all to itself. that's why I stated earlier that no one really knows if climate change is man made or not. there's really not much debate that the earth is getting warmer.
 

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screw computer models .. look at what's happening on the ground. anyone that's outside all the time like you doesn't need anyone to tell you that we have been getting extremes in weather. like you already pointed out, look at the drought conditions that the mid-west just come out of. now we are getting record breaking hot months.

there's not really much debate that the earth is warming up .. on top of glaciers melting adding to ocean mass .. what really affects sea levels is water expansion due to rise in temps. just a fraction of a degree would have a HUGE impact on volume, which of course effects sea levels. with many communities built at or below sea levels, small changes in sea level could have a huge impact .. like we are seeing with more to come.

again ... what's really scary is the HUGE frozen methane deposits that could be released into the atmosphere. methane is one of the worst gases in terms of green house effect .. 72x worst than CO2 and most refrigerants used in HVAC. to put things in perspective CO2 currently makes up 82% of total emissions .. methane is 9% but way more potent. HFC makes up about 2% and is highly debated as to how much harm it does vs the economics of constantly forced changes by EPA. naturally the equipment mfg LOVE change so they get to sell more new AC equipment.

with all the emissions put out by man kind .. IMHO there is NO way those emissions have no effect globally ... now how much effect is a topic of debate all to itself. that's why I stated earlier that no one really knows if climate change is man made or not. there's really not much debate that the earth is getting warmer.
Basically none of what you just said is true.
 

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Basically none of what you just said is true.

BS .. it's all true .. please back up what you stated ..

are you denying that water expands as it gets warmer? are you denying that we have been getting record hot month after hot month? are you denying the mid-west just came out of a drought? are you denying that we had a little ice age? etc. etc.

not saying I've never made a mistake ... but not in this case .. the only data that even comes close about being questioned is methane is 72x more potent than CO2 ... in short everything posted above are well established ...
 

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