State Questions

OKCHunter said:

Try to buy Dachutes Black Butte Porter in Oklahoma. You cannot because they don't like our distribution system. But, in Texas you can find it in most grocery stores

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GMThunder said:

How can you say their objections are false when you say you haven't researched the question?

Don't care about Missouri or whatever because this is this particular law pertaining Oklahoma... apples to oranges. Once again, they are limiting the liquor stores as to what hours they can operate or sell, they have age restrictions, and not allowing them more than 20% of ancillary products to make up for lost revenue. Walmart, QT, Reasors, etc have no such restrictions. Apply this to the gun world and y'all would be livid. Imagine a law where a gun store is forced to maintain 80% of it's revenue from Firearm sales, and then allows Wally world to do as it pleases.

As far as the consumer being the winner, well in some ways for sure, in others? Not sure because you will not have much competition on the wholesale level. Prices will likely increase in that respect.

I'm actually for most of the law, problem is in Oklahoma our lawmakers are minions to big box stores as if we need them to survive. Buy local when you can people.

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dennishoddy said:

Note the bolded part.
Because I've been handed some flyers in liquor stores in Ok with their objections to the law. I've seen their side, I've read the other side, and I've been in other states where there are liquor stores that co-exist with liquor stores and big box stores.
When I say I haven't researched it, that means I haven't dug into the into the legal language of the bills for the technicality's. Okla does restrict sales of alcohol from 9am to 9pm in liquor stores, and convenience/box stores can't sell low point beer from 1am to whenever? I don't know the exact times, but I do know they have restrictions.
I'm looking at it from a consumer point of view. If the liquor stores aren't on the same playing field as the big box stores, their parent lobby organization in the legislature needs to get to work and change it.
A simple law suit from them to put them on the same field is really easy to initiate and I'm sure a ton of legal types would be glad to take it on.
The control of the liquor distribution in Okla used to be handled by two companies, and I40 separated their territories. Pioneer liquor Wholesale in Ponca controlled all distribution North of I40 and another controlled the southern territory back in the 60' through the 80's. They set the wholesale prices, and the end user set their profit margin.
I have no clue how they do it now, as that business went under after the founder died and there were a lot of stories about why a hugely successful business like that could go under, but I won't get into that, although I do have some inside information.
As a consumer, I can go to Byrons In OKC, B&B in Tulsa, and our local liquor stores and see three different prices for the same items. I can go to different states that have less restrictions on where liquor is sold, and beat all of their prices.

I'm sure the distribution system has been modified

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GMThunder said:

I'm going by what the retail liquor association has stated in their objections. Not sure what you've been exposed to in these "fliers" but the point remains that you're still trying to compare apples to oranges. Their concern They've already "lobbied up" so to speak... who do you think had more money? Here's the difference between the retail association supported bill (791) and..... Walmart's (792)

http://www.791vs792.com/

791 makes MUCH more sense IMO, if you really care about local businesses.

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KOPBET said:

I understand 791 fell short of getting the required number of signatures to get on the ballot. Anyone know by how much?

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