Oklahoma Senator Introduces Bill to Criminalize Abortion as First-Degree Murder

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The two are not really comparable. No one on the left, at least no one that is taken seriously, is calling for the end of the 2nd, the confiscation of all currently owned firearms and no access to any firearms. That's not only what many on the right are doing, it's part of the GOP's official platform. Over the last 20 years the access to firearms and the legal ability to carry a firearm has not only not been restricted, it's been expanded significantly. Access to abortions has been systematically restricted with state after state after state passing law after law after law with the intent of restricting a woman's access to a constitutionally protected medical procedure. Hell, the right even has a plan. It's called TRAP (Targeted Regulation of Abortion Providers) laws.

Yeah, the two are not even close to being the same.

Oh I agree professor ACE. Hence one if the many reasons I don't support Republican presidents, especially with the SCOTUS looking like the last few survivors of a nursing home fire and the first abortion case of the decade ongoing.

I was just floating a hypothetical trade for the anti-abortion crowd. Also would like to float that to the anti-gun crowd.

Both are in fact similar in many ways. They are contentious issues that are screamed about so much they take an incredible amount of time and money away from better causes, and both should have been settled long ago. Neither should even be brought up in a presidential race. Hi. This is America. We have rights to guns and abortion. Shut the hell up if you disagree with either.
 
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The two are not really comparable. No one on the left, at least no one that is taken seriously, is calling for the end of the 2nd, the confiscation of all currently owned firearms and no access to any firearms. That's not only what many on the right are doing, it's part of the GOP's official platform. Over the last 20 years the access to firearms and the legal ability to carry a firearm has not only not been restricted, it's been expanded significantly. Access to abortions has been systematically restricted with state after state after state passing law after law after law with the intent of restricting a woman's access to a constitutionally protected medical procedure. Hell, the right even has a plan. It's called TRAP (Targeted Regulation of Abortion Providers) laws.

Yeah, the two are not even close to being the same.

Seems like you've been spending too much time over on DU.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/gun-violence-prevention/

What would the 2nd amendment be after she would be done with it?

I'm no advocate of the right's philosophy on abortion, wished they'd just drop it. However, you're delusional if you don't think the 2nd amendment would virtually end if Dem frontrunners had their way.
 

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Seems like you've been spending too much time over on DU.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/gun-violence-prevention/

What would the 2nd amendment be after she would be done with it?

I'm no advocate of the right's philosophy on abortion, wished they'd just drop it. However, you're delusional if you don't think the 2nd amendment would virtually end if Dem frontrunners had their way.

Yes, we know. The left wants to repeal the 2nd! The NRA has been telling us that for years. What they don't seem to recall is that in Obama's first years in office both the house and senate were controlled by the left. Not A Single Gun Control Law Was Passed. You can chicken-little all you want, but the fact, the fact, is that in the last 20 years the left has done next to nothing to restrict gun ownership, even including the AWB which didn't actually make owning an "assault weapon" a crime. In the last 20 year, the right has actually, not just "oh my what will they do", but have actually greatly restricted abortion.

The claim the left wants to "take yer guns" is pure demagoguery that has no basis in fact.
The right wanting to eliminate abortion is not a claim, it's a stated fact.

The are simply not even close to being comparable.

One is a specious claim, a theory, an unwarranted fear. One is actually happening.
 

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The claim the left wants to "take yer guns" is pure demagoguery that has no basis in fact.
The right wanting to eliminate abortion is not a claim, it's a stated fact.

The are simply not even close to being comparable.

One is a specious claim, a theory, an unwarranted fear. One is actually happening.

You keep telling yourself that Ace. Being impotent doesn't mean you never want to have sex again, it just means you can't. Only you could confuse the two. :rolleyes2
 

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god I shouldn't have brought that up. it was not intended to be a focal point of this discussion.

I've brought it up several times, because contrary to Ace's irrational fantasyland, the two have more in common than not.

Both are settled constitutional case law.
Both are highly contentious and polarizing.
Both have laws on the books infringing upon them.
Both have established "non-profit" organizations intent on preserving them.
Both have established "non-profit" organizations intent on eliminating them.

Those five things alone establish a significant corollary, and are not all inclusive. Ace is just being his usual "I hate conservatives" pedantic self. :(
 

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A double. A two fer. A twin killing.
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Hillary wants to do an end run around the 2nd. She wants people to be able to sue gun manufactures, for damages, because they producing dangerous products, which would mean an end to manufacturing of guns and ammunition, in the US market.

Yes, we know. The left wants to repeal the 2nd! The NRA has been telling us that for years. What they don't seem to recall is that in Obama's first years in office both the house and senate were controlled by the left. Not A Single Gun Control Law Was Passed. You can chicken-little all you want, but the fact, the fact, is that in the last 20 years the left has done next to nothing to restrict gun ownership, even including the AWB which didn't actually make owning an "assault weapon" a crime. In the last 20 year, the right has actually, not just "oh my what will they do", but have actually greatly restricted abortion.

The claim the left wants to "take yer guns" is pure demagoguery that has no basis in fact.
The right wanting to eliminate abortion is not a claim, it's a stated fact.

The are simply not even close to being comparable.

One is a specious claim, a theory, an unwarranted fear. One is actually happening.
 

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