warning or bullet?

[redneck1861]

One thing I think should be brought up in this is that everyone who responded and said "empty the mag", "two to the chest", "double tap", "two to the chest one to the head" is giving horrible advice.

You shoot to STOP, period.

This is the best post on this thread IMHO. You shoot until the threat is gone, even if that means you have to unload 18 rounds from your Glock, and reload to keep shooting. If your first shot is a head shot that eliminates the threat right away, dont shoot anymore.

That pharmacist probably could have handled that better, IIRC he was using a 5-shot S&W snubby, he took the time to go and reload his revolver, only to shoot the BG 5 more times, at point blank range

 

[HMCS(FMF)Ret.]

Can you shoot in this scenario? Short answer: Yes, shoot...no warning required. You have the right to protect yourself or someone else if you reasonably believe it's necessary to prevent their death or great bodily harm, or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony. Would you shoot? Depends on the situation. I carry to defend myself and my family. I'm not a LEO. Would I try to save some young 17 year old 7-Eleven Clerk if I could? Again depends on a whole bunch of variables.....but if I thought the conditions were right, and some innocent person could get killed...I probably would.

 

[LightningCrash]

You have the right to protect yourself or someone else if you are attacked and reasonably believe it's necessary to prevent their death or great bodily harm, or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

fixed that for you

 

[ArGyLe64]

Yeah, if I did that the other deputies would make fun of me the rest of my life. "Haha!!! You jerked your trigger."

 

[Shootin 4 Fun]

Oh good lord, why would you want to risk the headache involved in a shooting if you aren't in danger? Prepare to defend yourself and hope the guy behind the counter doesn't do anything stupid to escalate the situation.

 

[HMCS(FMF)Ret.]

You have the right to protect yourself or someone else if you are attacked and reasonably believe it's necessary to prevent their death or great bodily harm, or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

fixed that for you

If a BG puts a gun in someones face, that person IS being attacked. Also, if someone is being robbed by a BG with a gun it IS a Forcible Felony, which you have the right to prevent. You obviously aren't obligated to do so. That's where your choices, and variables in the situation come into play.

 

[LightningCrash]

If a BG puts a gun in someones face, that person IS being attacked. Also, if someone is being robbed by a BG with a gun it IS a Forcible Felony, which you have the right to prevent. You obviously aren't obligated to do so. That's where your choices, and variables in the situation come into play.

SYG doesn't say "someone else is attacked," it says you have a right to meet force with force if you are attacked.

D. A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

So if you are both:
1) Not engaged in an unlawful activity, and
2) Attacked in a place where you have a right to be
Then you have the right to
1) Meet force with force, including deadly force
BUT that's only IF
1) You reasonably believe it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to yourself or another, or
2) It will prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

 

[HMCS(FMF)Ret.]

SYG doesn't say "someone else is attacked," it says you have a right to meet force with force if you are attacked.



So if you are both:
1) Not engaged in an unlawful activity, and
2) Attacked in a place where you have a right to be
Then you have the right to
1) Meet force with force, including deadly force
BUT that's only IF
1) You reasonably believe it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to yourself or another, or
2) It will prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

Nope...I think you're reading way too much into the attack portion. That's just saying you have the right to stand your ground if being attacked (you don't need to run). You still have the right to prevent death or great bodily harm to another and/or prevent the commission of a forcible felony. Meaning, you have the right to come to the aid of a person that is being attacked or is the active victim of a forcible felony.

Here's another rather vague part of Title 21 that states your rights to help another:

B. A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:

2. The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.

 

[LightningCrash]

Nope...I think you're reading way too much into the attack portion.

Nope, it's really plain.

You still have the right to prevent death or great bodily harm to another and/or prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

Not under the SYG act.

Here's another rather vague part of Title 21 that states your rights to help another:

B. A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:

2. The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.

This doesn't actually paint any rights here, it only establishes a legal presumption.

 

[Skiluvr03]

This is getting confusing. As I read the handbook, we can only use deadly force if ourselves or a family member is in imminent danger. Are there other laws that are in effect too, like the Castle Doctrine and Stand your Ground Law? I need to read up on those today and do more research I guess.