Why are Oklahoma's roads so crappy?

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dennishoddy

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One more quick fact while the popcorn is going.
I-40 from east to west in OK is the one road most ***** about...well as is I-35.
To reconstruct one mile of I-40, both sides, 38' wide pavement x 2 sides is roughly 4.5 million per miles. There are 331 miles of I-40 in OK. thats near $1.5 billion and Im not sure about out west of El Reno but its all new east of there to AR other than a 6 mile section at Henrietta and the section in Yukon that is currently being rebuilt. That all took place in less than 10 years too.
I-35 south of OKC used to be a joke and most of it is new and smooth as a babies ass now as well.
You see ODOT has made leaps and bounds in recovering our failed infrastructure just in the last 10-15 years but no one really is talking about the positives. And honestly, it pisses me off.

Piece out.

No problem with the concrete.

Asphalt grades are the issue IMHO.

I can't find anything to prove my hypothesis is not correct.
 

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Interstate 44 just north and south of Interstate 40 in OKC is the highest volume road in the state with (and these are old numbers) roughly 300,000 cars a day. It has IIRC 25% trucks (25% of 300k) and it is concrete that was placed (concrete is never poured) in 1974-75 and its condition is very good for the age. Are you familiar with this pavement? Its quite a testimony to ODOTs work for a 40 yo road.
US 69 south of muskogee was 60-65 yo before we replaced it and it was in outstanding shape at that time 4-7 years ago.
all in one year).

I-44 just north and south of I-40 is one of the areas I avoid because of the rough roads, particularly in my RV. I've had stuff tossed all over my trailer from this stretch of road. Hwy 69 south of Muskogee is better than it was; Hwy 69 just south of Eufala makes me want to (redacted). How can you have a road this crappy and someone not be in jail???? Hwy 412 west of Tulsa is an area to avoid also. WTF? It was just milled, but is still lumpy and the bridge transitions are violent. I've considered moving out of state just so I won't have to damage my equipment fighting OK roads. Thank you CHenry for doing the best you can with what you have available, but there is a noticeable difference when you come into Oklahoma.
 

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I-40 from east to west in OK is the one road most ***** about...well as is I-35.
To reconstruct one mile of I-40, both sides, 38' wide pavement x 2 sides is roughly 4.5 million per miles. There are 331 miles of I-40 in OK. thats near $1.5 billion and Im not sure about out west of El Reno but its all new east of there to AR other than a 6 mile section at Henrietta and the section in Yukon that is currently being rebuilt.

This is one of the sections of I-40 that I mentioned in my OP nine pages ago. Coming back from from my road trip last week, as soon as we crossed the boarder and all the way until we took the Muskogeee Turnpike up north to HWY 69, the quality of the road dropped dramatically. You could feel all of the seams in the concrete every 10 or 15 feet (what ever it is) as well as a distinct waviness to the road and there were still potholes and chunks taken out of the road every couple hundred yards. I-40 in Arkansas from Memphis to Fort Smith (minus the parts that were actually under construction) were a much, much better stretch of roads. (To say nothing of I-40 in Tennessee and North Carolina).
 

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Here is the deal.

We don't need to hammer Chenry. Its beyond the scope of his level to make fundamental changes in the way Oklahoma roads are constructed. He just works there.

I don't know how, but the head of ODOT and The Governor needs to be the point of any feedback and constructive criticism.

Anybody have some method to contact them other than the Gov email where nobody else can see what a person is complaining about?

Something where everybody else can see comments, etc?
 

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I have a friend who works for ODOT, and she is close personal friends with the governor. I sent her an email a few days ago already. I'll let you know if I hear any things about this stuff.
 

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Looks like the mix data for our asphalt is not covered in the standard specifications. They have special provisions written for that somewhere. I did find that our Super Pave mix is made with a synthetic polymer modified binders.
 

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