Private LEO's

[Foghorn]

The Desert Snow guys in question are/were not commissioned Oklahoma LEOs...but to my knowledge they always have a legit LEO with them.

They were commissioned by the da's office as reserve officers. The da just never had any intention to send them to the required training here in okla. 3 of them were and still are reserve deputies in another county. They have completed the state required training.

Nothing screams poor craftsmanship like wrinkles in your duct tape

 

[SMS]

Hadn't heard that before. In at least one case that made the news they said the DS contractor was not an LEO at all.

 

[Foghorn]

He was retired California highway patrol. He owns the company. The question was since the da had no intention of sending them to cleet was the commision card valid. Obviously the judge and da disagreed.

Nothing screams poor craftsmanship like wrinkles in your duct tape

 

[SMS]

He was retired California highway patrol. He owns the company. The question was since the da had no intention of sending them to cleet was the commision card valid. Obviously the judge and da disagreed.

Nothing screams poor craftsmanship like wrinkles in your duct tape

Gotcha.

Seems shady either way. Why invite drama...let the real LEO interact with the public while the trainer observes and provides cues/feedback.

 

[Foghorn]

It was shady... one day I'll post the test of that story. It was an embarrassment..

Nothing screams poor craftsmanship like wrinkles in your duct tape

 

[Glocktogo]

Most DAs have a taskforce for drugs and/or violent crimes. They are commissioned officers.

An agency can issue a temporary commission card to anybody they want for as long as they want. I've received a temp commission for a day to work an event at a neighboring agency out of my jurisdiction, and my agency has done the same to bring officers in to work disasters in the area.

I've been to that particulate contractors school/training and I have to say it's probably one of the best classes for LEOs on highway interdiction.

Since you've been to the school that is one of the most controversial training programs in the country, can you describe what if any constitutional safeguards they touch on to ensure the program isn't used improperly?

 

[OKSpeedDemon]

Since you've been to the school that is one of the most controversial training programs in the country, can you describe what if any constitutional safeguards they touch on to ensure the program isn't used improperly?

I'll just say that when the LEO hands you your stuff (ID, insurance, etc) back and tells you that you are now free to go, get in your car and go. Don't stand around and participate in casual conversation with the officer about your travel plans. Also do not consent to a search.

 

[Glocktogo]

I should point out that my primary disagreement with this program is the lack of Due Process for the citizen. A citizen travelling freely within the United States should be secure in their persons and effects, to include their money. I don't care if they're carrying a dollar or a million dollars. If you want to seize it and keep it, you should be forced to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the money is the result of a criminal act. Forcing American citizens to spend considerable time, money and effort to prove to the state that money in their possession IS NOT the result of a criminal enterprise, is simply un-American.

 

[SMS]

I should point out that my primary disagreement with this program is the lack of Due Process for the citizen. A citizen travelling freely within the United States should be secure in their persons and effects, to include their money. I don't care if they're carrying a dollar or a million dollars. If you want to seize it and keep it, you should be forced to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the money is the result of a criminal act. Forcing American citizens to spend considerable time, money and effort to prove to the state that money in their possession IS NOT the result of a criminal enterprise, is simply un-American.

Amen.

 

[OKSpeedDemon]

I should point out that my primary disagreement with this program is the lack of Due Process for the citizen. A citizen travelling freely within the United States should be secure in their persons and effects, to include their money. I don't care if they're carrying a dollar or a million dollars. If you want to seize it and keep it, you should be forced to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the money is the result of a criminal act. Forcing American citizens to spend considerable time, money and effort to prove to the state that money in their possession IS NOT the result of a criminal enterprise, is simply un-American.

I agree! If I want to travel around with a million bucks in my trunk, I shouldn't have to worry about getting pulled over and my money confiscated just because some officer "thinks" it's drug money. This also goes along with the banks reporting over $10,000 in cash deposits. It's my money and I'm making a transaction to a private business/company. Why do they have to report it to the government. It's none of the governments business how/where I make my money. Just my 2 cents!