Baby that was flash-banged is responsible

[Dave70968]

I agree with this sentiment, but, wouldn't that require several things...
1. That the raid planner had been trained and shown aptitude for planning raids.
2. That the raid planner had any clue about tactics or logistics used in raiding a structure.
3. That the raid planner had any idea of trying to make the raid successful and not overly dangerous to anyone, raiders or raidees...

That's a great argument for departmental negligence.

Negligence requires a duty of care, and a breach of that duty. When the duty is breached, I start to view those culpable (which may start with a desk jockey, but still includes the guys chucking grenades) as less "innocent" than, say, an infant child.

 

[MadDogs]

As long as the cops go home at the end of their shifts, that's the most important thing.

Seen it right here on OSA.

It is important for LEOs to come home safely every day. Glad to hear that you agree with that. From the two posts you started about Freddie Gray in Baltimore and your comments here, I didn’t think you had the sense much less common decency to realize that.

Speaking of which, as mentioned you started two separate threads about Gray’s death in Baltimore and given your comments here, do you have some emotional attachment to explain your angst towards law enforcement? Care to unpack why?

 

[JeffT]

That's a great argument for departmental negligence...

I am not arguing for negligence.
I am arguing that the raid should never have happened in the first place.
There are better, easier, safer ways to accomplish the same task of apprehending the known bad guy(s).
It happens every day. Our police departments take bad guys off the street all the time and only on a few occasions do we see something ugly and stupid happen because of accidents, mistakes, poor planning, failure to execute the plan correctly...
I am not a police officer or attorney, but I have to plan and execute processes the optimal way possible on a daily basis.

 

[MadDogs]

S
My apologies
http://www.infowars.com/cops-who-flash-banged-infants-crib-are-blaming-the-baby/

And this
http://www.freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2015/05/pity-poor-stormtroopers-baby-bou-bou.html?m=1

Brilliant. I guess "Wiki" didn't have anything (yet) so you used blogs?

 

[caojyn]

Brilliant. I guess "Wiki" didn't have anything (yet) so you used blogs?

Yep, just getting the conversation rolling

 

[TedKennedy]

As long as the cops go home at the end of their shifts, that's the most important thing.

Seen it right here on OSA.

I'd be OK with sending them home early, before they have the opportunity to do this kind of stuff.

 

[Dave70968]

It is important for LEOs to come home safely every day. Glad to hear that you agree with that. From the two posts you started about Freddie Gray in Baltimore and your comments here, I didn’t think you had the sense much less common decency to realize that.

Speaking of which, as mentioned you started two separate threads about Gray’s death in Baltimore and given your comments here, do you have some emotional attachment to explain your angst towards law enforcement? Care to unpack why?

Okay, slick, I'll spell it out for you. If you'll read carefully--not even between the lines, just the letters on your display--you'll see that I said "the most important thing." Now, for the sarcasm-impaired, that would be an example of sarcasm. There a any number of posts here saying that officer safety is paramount, posters saying "no matter what, I'm going home at the end of my shift, etc." These seem to miss an important point: what about citizen safety? Last I heard, there's no draft in this country; what about the people who didn't volunteer to take those jobs? Yes, it's important for officers to go home safely, but isn't it just as important for the rest of us to do so as well? Or do we rate some sort of second-class status?

To your second: I don't have anything against law enforcement per se; I object to the initiation of force as a whole, and most functions of government in particular. That extends to anybody who tries to exercise dominion over me when I'm not doing a damned thing to hurt him; law enforcement may be the emblem of that force, but then, they did volunteer to be out there on the thin end of the wedge, breaking into homes and pointing guns at people. Don't worry; I have plenty of animosity for the faceless bureaucrats and elected misrepresentatives who seek to exercise power over others. Even if they have altruistic intent, each person still has the right to make his own choices; you can't legislate someone into virtue.

I am not arguing for negligence.
I am arguing that the raid should never have happened in the first place.
There are better, easier, safer ways to accomplish the same task of apprehending the known bad guy(s).
It happens every day. Our police departments take bad guys off the street all the time and only on a few occasions do we see something ugly and stupid happen because of accidents, mistakes, poor planning, failure to execute the plan correctly...
I am not a police officer or attorney, but I have to plan and execute processes the optimal way possible on a daily basis.

That's alright, I will argue for it, and I'll argue that the negligence started on the desk of whoever said "hey, let's bust down the door." That was a poor decision, and it unnecessarily endangered the occupants of the house. Negligence doesn't have to start when the battering ram meets the door.

 

[MadDogs]

Yep, just getting the conversation rolling

After previously admitting to framing a straw man argument I didn’t think you could take your credibility any lower. I stand corrected. By using a blog to troll with you lowered the bar once again. Well played.

 

[inactive]

I'd be OK with sending them home early, before they have the opportunity to do this kind of stuff.

Then there'd be no overtime slips to sign when they play Rambo

 

[Glocktogo]

After previously admitting to framing a straw man argument I didn’t think you could take your credibility any lower. I stand corrected. By using a blog to troll with you lowered the bar once again. Well played.

That would assume he ever had any credibility to begin with.