Homeland security

[dennishoddy]

The president proposed that if your on a terrorist watch list, you shouldn't be able to buy a gun.

Congressman Steve Lynch pointed out back in August that the Department of Homeland Security has 72 individuals that work in that department are on the terror watch list.

How does that happen?

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

It happens when the administration is in cahoots with the terrorists. Otherwise, those on the watch list who have penetrated the agency would be up on charges of some kind, and those who allowed those on the watch list to work for that agency would be fired.

Woody

 

[Dale00]

Most likely the terrorist watch list is very sloppily maintained. But ours is not to question why or how but just to respect our government and wait for further directions. They know best and we can trust them absolutely.

 

[dennishoddy]

Are any of them part of the armed departments? I'd sure like to see a list.

 

[operator742]

If that were to pass ,then anyone wanting to buy a gun would end up on the no fly list

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[donner]

So is the solution to do nothing about this? Yes, i'm very aware that these people will always get weapons and that no laws will stop them fully, but it does seem like there is room where something could be done.

it's amazing to me that the GOP is letting this moment slip through its hands. It seems like any skilled politician would be able to spin this to his or her advantage by merely pointing out WHY it's a bad idea, but acknowledging a need to keep guns away from those suspected of terrorist intentions and then using this moment to fix a bigger flaw in our system.

Why not point out that there are some good ideas in a law like this, but that the process for determining who is on the list is so flawed that it isn't worth the risk in its current form. Make the left fix the system as a way of achieving the gun purchase restriction. Merely writing it off seems like it opens the right up to the anti rhetoric and accomplishes nothing else. Change the narrative and maybe fix a problem with our security theatre while you're at it.

Lets put the left on the hot seat for refusing to fix a flawed system that doesn't work to protect us. Make it about their unwillingness to work together to do this and not about the right's unwillingness to keep guns away from terrorists.

"We're committed to keeping the american people safe, but not at the expense the rights guaranteed to all americans under the Constitution. There are serious flaws with the way US citizens end up on these lists and until those issues are remedied we are unwilling to risk the rights of our citizens for the feeling of security.

All too often in our history, we have reacted with hasty and ill-conceived laws that weaken our freedoms and ultimately do little to protect us. Any discussion about limiting the second amendment rights of those americans on this list must begin with putting in place safeguards to guarantee that no honest American is wrongfully denied the protection of the Constitution.

It will not be a quick or easy process, but it must be done to preserve the liberty of US citizens."

 

[saltydog]

If that were to pass ,then anyone wanting to buy a gun would end up on the no fly list

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If it were to pass, everybody that filled out a 4473 would be on that list. History lessons tell me the possibilities are endless with a "list"

 

[operator742]

What pisses me off is that it's obvious that making laws and outlawing anything has never helped all more laws do is effect law abiding citizens. And another thing I will never willing give up my rights for something that effects less then one percent of the population as gun violence does!

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[SMS]

Were either of the San Bernadono shooters on "the list"? I doubt it. At first knee jerk, using the list to deny firearms purchases sounds like "doing something" but in reality it wouldn't do a damn thing.

 

[dennishoddy]

Were either of the San Bernadono shooters on "the list"? I doubt it. At first knee jerk, using the list to deny firearms purchases sounds like "doing something" but in reality it wouldn't do a damn thing.

No they weren't. In fact, the female half was the one that radicalized the male half according to the FBI.
Since INS vetted her "safe" enough to get a visa and green card, how safe is this country with the proposes influx of migrants from Syria, not counting the ones already here?