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Chris Harrison

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That one fact has always made me mad. Every range has that stupid rule of no drawing from the holster. Now I know it is for liability purposes because the average Joe Jack Citizen can just walk in off the street with ID and money and start shooting. Ranges cannot afford a full time safety officer and therefore put the onus back on the citizen for range safety. The fact remains the holster, is a big part of carrying a gun whether concealed or not. The quality of the holster, the positioning, the retention mechanism, frequency of use, (familiarity) is very necessary to good training.
Not every range. Probably every public range. I belong to a gun club and we can certainly draw from the holster. I also do some shoot and move drills. But I get it. Public ranges are allergic to realistic gun handling due to insurance requirements. Finding an affordable gun club can be tough in larger, metropolitan areas but in rural areas, it's generally easier. I pay $100 a year for a membership for my wife and myself.
 

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The scenario you described in bold print scares me as far as perceived vs reality. If you do get the shot off before he even points the gun at you, you had better be able to articulate that fear of imminent death really well in court. You are in a very grey area as you would be the attacker because he has not used deadly force yet.
He doesn't have to shoot first. You have to show, beyond a reasonable doubt, that you were in fear for your life or grave bodily injury. If you had to wait until you shot you in the chest with a shotgun before you could shoot,,, well you may as well just say your prayers, because your chance of survival is extremely low at that point. No one is expected to take a bullet in order to have to defend their life.
 

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That one fact has always made me mad. Every range has that stupid rule of no drawing from the holster. Now I know it is for liability purposes because the average Joe Jack Citizen can just walk in off the street with ID and money and start shooting. Ranges cannot afford a full time safety officer and therefore put the onus back on the citizen for range safety. The fact remains the holster, is a big part of carrying a gun whether concealed or not. The quality of the holster, the positioning, the retention mechanism, frequency of use, (familiarity) is very necessary to good training.
My range permits it. Of course, I own it, so I set the rules.
 

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Not every range. Probably every public range. I belong to a gun club and we can certainly draw from the holster. I also do some shoot and move drills. But I get it. Public ranges are allergic to realistic gun handling due to insurance requirements. Finding an affordable gun club can be tough in larger, metropolitan areas but in rural areas, it's generally easier. I pay $100 a year for a membership for my wife and myself.
That is Cheap for what ya have there, the taxes on my backyard aren't that cheap.
 

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Having encountered ricco on the now-defunct Kansas forum I can say that he has influenced me a fair amount. Now, most of the time, like him I would not intervene if strangers were involved. I carry to defend myself, and my family, not to be while knight, or a hero.

Now obviously, if I come across a bunch of school kids being massacred I'll probably do something about it. I'm not saying that I'll never intervene, but I'll be damned selective about those cases where I do.
 

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Having encountered ricco on the now-defunct Kansas forum I can say that he has influenced me a fair amount. Now, most of the time, like him I would not intervene if strangers were involved. I carry to defend myself, and my family, not to be while knight, or a hero.

Now obviously, if I come across a bunch of school kids being massacred I'll probably do something about it. I'm not saying that I'll never intervene, but I'll be damned selective about those cases where I do.
Like Ricco, that's your prerogative and I am not judging you for it. It's a free country after all and you have a right to decide what's best for you. I however, could never live with myself if someone (school kids, at risk adult or whoever) perished because of my inaction.
 
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That is Cheap for what ya have there, the taxes on my backyard aren't that cheap.
Not a state-of-the-art facility or anything, but they have 5 pistol bays, a 25-yard range for pistol and getting a rifle on paper and then burms out to 500 meters. It is often a bit overgrown but we do a clean-up and mow and weed eat a couple of times in the summer and it suffices well enough. They do IDPA every couple of weeks and USPSA type matches every month and I think they do a steel challenge sort of thing every month as well. We get our money's worth out of it.
 

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