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Did a dude who owns/owned a 4th gen (IIRC) Camaro just accuse another dude of owning a mulletmobile?

Yes, but I'm not acting all high and mighty. Besides....I've upgraded to a new mullet... still own the Camaro though. :o
 

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Hard Rock and River Spirit were not plunked down in the middle of a residential neighborhood area.

Do you believe that crime in both areas has decreased? It doesn't have to be "complete chaos" to affect people's lives negatively.

Ummm..... I'd say there's plenty of homes and apartments close to riverside.

Didn't say anything about decreasing crime. I'm asking for some facts of it significantly increasing.
 

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Trying to compare a distaste for casinos being installed in residential areas to 2nd Amendment rights is beyond ridiculous.

Funny how the logic behind defending said rights seems to waiver with the wind with some on this board. It's all about personal responsibility, some people can't handle gambling just like some can't handle drinking. Casinos don't cause crime any more than guns do. THAT'S my point.
 

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I live right next to RiverSpirit, there is no increase of crime or any other negative effects. I see no negative to the casino. Also Riverspirit is surrounded by neighborhoods and apartments.

River Spirit is not even close to being a comparative location to the proposed casino in B.A. River Spirit is located directly on a major 4 lane divided arterial road, bordered by a river one one side and thousands of businesses within the immediate mile radius. In B.A. There is absolutely NOTHING except for 2 lane non shouldered roads, family homes, schools and chruches within a 2 mile radius.

While you may not have seen any increase in crime, I'm guessing that the Tulsa Police blotter says different. "There is no other negative effect"... how do you know?
 

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Well which do you want to argue? Shootings in the parking lot or meth in the building... make an apples to apples comparison.

Hint: The "meth in the building" happened at the Wal-mart across the street from the Riverspirit. The shooting happened on admiral and memorial or 71st and memorial, take your pick. Point was that as of lately, there have been problems in Wal-marts, but nobody bitches about them going in.
 

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Funny how the logic behind defending said rights seems to waiver with the wind with some on this board. It's all about personal responsibility, some people can't handle gambling just like some can't handle drinking. Casinos don't cause crime any more than guns do. THAT'S my point.

What rights are you defending? The right to gamble?

For the record, I agree that one should control themselves and it's not up to me to do that if it's a legal endeavor. It is, however fully within my rights to argue that plopping a casino into a neighborhood isn't in the interest of the community. Why are you so hell bent in determining how I want my neighborhood to look? Do you live in the propsed area?

Let's suppose someone wanted to plop a nightclub down on that plot of land... there WOULD be an increase in drunk driving along the nearby roads. To think otherwise is just silly. I would argue just as strong if not more against that.
 

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Funny how the logic behind defending said rights seems to waiver with the wind with some on this board. It's all about personal responsibility, some people can't handle gambling just like some can't handle drinking. Casinos don't cause crime any more than guns do. THAT'S my point.

you're right in that casinos do not cause crime.
it's the level of personal responsibility of the people that frequent them that I question:
http://www.kjrh.com/dpp/news/local_news/couple-leaves-child-in-car-at-casino

as well as those that prey upon the patrons:
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-....,cf.osb&fp=2f0b188327e19041&biw=1440&bih=785

so don't tell me that crime doesn't take place in association with casinos.
proof is in the pudding.
 

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Right, head all this "opinion" before on this board. Just curious if you have one of those "countless studies" you can post? I mean by everyone's logic, considering the amount of casinos in NE Oklahoma, there should be a crime wave going on.

Here's a little lite reading from a professor at the University of Illinois. It's a little outdated (2010), but I think it speaks for itself. I would be interested to hear your rebuttal based on your own study. Or are you simply stating your "opinion"?

http://www.netnebraska.org/television/news/ne_connects/gambling/CasinosCrime.pdf
 
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