HB2998 Huh?

[UnSafe]

Viewable here. Opens in Word.
http://www.oklegislature.gov/BillInfo.aspx?Bill=HB2998

I thought it was already simple tresspass, if you were discovered to be (Otherwise legally) carrying in either a posted location (Like a Homeland grocery store with the little gunbuster sign buried in the mess of ads and fliers at the entrance) or discovered to be carrying in a posted location. Didn't see if the bill included "Official" no carry locations- Courthouses, voting locations, etc..

 

[Blue Baby]

This is a bill asking to modify what is already in place. The SDA already has spelled out the "official" no carry places, this just adds to that and spells out how most of us interpret the gunbuster sign.

An Act relating to firearms; amending 21 O.S. 2011, Sections 1290.2 and 1290.22, which relate to the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act; modifying definition of concealed handgun; authorizing private property owners to prohibit certain conduct; requiring private property owners to post certain signs; making certain conduct subject to removal from property; providing for the issuance of citations; and providing an effective date.

 

[jhat]

Carrying where prohibited (establishment with a gun buster sign) was not a crime to begin with as there was no statutory authority setting forth any punishment. See 21 O.S. section 1277 wherein penalties are provided when carrying in certain places. What was not a crime will be if this one passes. F------ morons in the legislature.

 

[Glocktogo]

Let's dispense with the FUDD here:

STATE OF OKLAHOMA

2nd Session of the 53rd Legislature (2012)

HOUSE BILL 2998 By: Newell

AS INTRODUCED

An Act relating to firearms; amending 21 O.S. 2011, Sections 1290.2 and 1290.22, which relate to the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act; modifying definition of concealed handgun; authorizing private property owners to prohibit certain conduct; requiring private property owners to post certain signs; making certain conduct subject to removal from property; providing for the issuance of citations; and providing an effective date.

BE IT ENACTED BY THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA:
SECTION 1. AMENDATORY 21 O.S. 2011, Section 1290.2, is amended to read as follows:
Section 1290.2
DEFINITIONS
As used in Sections 1 through 25 of this act the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act:
1. "Concealed handgun" means a loaded or unloaded pistol carried hidden from the detection and view of another person either upon or about the person, in a purse or other container belonging to the person, or in a vehicle which is operated by the person or in which the person is riding as a passenger, the presence of which is not openly discernible to the ordinary observation of a reasonable person; and
2. "Pistol" means any derringer, revolver or semiautomatic firearm which:
a. has an overall length of less than sixteen (16) inches and is able to be fully concealed from detection and view,
b. is capable of discharging a projectile composed of any material which may reasonably be expected to be able to cause lethal injury,
c. is designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand, and
d. uses either gunpowder, gas or any means of rocket propulsion to discharge the projectile.
The definition of pistol for purposes of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act shall not apply to homemade or imitation pistols, flare guns, underwater fishing guns or blank pistols.
SECTION 2. AMENDATORY 21 O.S. 2011, Section 1290.22, is amended to read as follows:
Section 1290.22
BUSINESS OWNER’S RIGHTS
A. Except as provided in subsection B of this section, nothing contained in any provision of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act, Section 1290.1 et seq. of this title, shall be construed to limit, restrict or prohibit in any manner the existing rights of any person, property owner, tenant, employer, or business entity to control the possession of weapons on any property owned or controlled by the person or business entity.
B. No person, property owner, tenant, employer, or business entity shall be permitted to establish any policy or rule that has the effect of prohibiting any person, except a convicted felon, from transporting and storing firearms in a locked vehicle on any property set aside for any vehicle.
C. A property owner, tenant, employer, or business entity may prohibit any person from carrying a concealed firearm on the property. If the building or property is open to the public, the property owner, tenant, employer, or business entity shall post signs on or about the property stating such prohibition.
D. The carrying of a concealed firearm by a person who has been issued a concealed handgun license on property that has signs prohibiting the carrying of firearms shall not be a criminal act but may subject the person to being denied entrance onto the property or removal from the property. If the person refuses to leave the property and a peace officer is summoned, the person may be issued a citation for an amount not to exceed One Hundred Dollars ($100.00).
SECTION 3. This act shall become effective November 1, 2012.

53-2-9097 GRS 01/07/12

As you can see, this bill doesn't propose to criminalize carrying where the property is posted (i.e. Texas 30.06 law), it specifically says that carrying where gunbuster signs are posted is not a criminal act. Further, it limits the fine for trespassing with a firearm where posted to $100. In some cases and jurisdictions, criminal trespass fines may well exceed $100. This codifies the maximum amount under the listed circumstances, statewide.

I see nothing to fear in this bill. Move along now, nothing to see here...

 

[kinggabby]

Let's dispense with the FUDD here:



As you can see, this bill doesn't propose to criminalize carrying where the property is posted (i.e. Texas 30.06 law), it specifically says that carrying where gunbuster signs are posted is not a criminal act. Further, it limits the fine for trespassing with a firearm where posted to $100. In some cases and jurisdictions, criminal trespass fines may well exceed $100. This codifies the maximum amount under the listed circumstances, statewide.

I see nothing to fear in this bill. Move along now, nothing to see here...

At least it defines it as not being a crime just clarifies it as simple trespass. Just meaning if they say you have to leave then leave. Do not stand there and try to debate why you should be able to come in with a gun . Not a hard choice to make for me .