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tRidiot

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I read that about the gun ranges, and it looked to me like it wasn't ALL ranges not owned by the state, just the ones over 50 employees, but I don't know that for sure, IANAL and I didn't scrutinize the law all that closely. Just based on a quick reading. Still not something necessary or even justified, in my opinion, but not as bad as it sounded. You could have a private range if you had fewer than 50 employees working in the building, right?
 

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I read that about the gun ranges, and it looked to me like it wasn't ALL ranges not owned by the state, just the ones over 50 employees, but I don't know that for sure, IANAL and I didn't scrutinize the law all that closely. Just based on a quick reading. Still not something necessary or even justified, in my opinion, but not as bad as it sounded. You could have a private range if you had fewer than 50 employees working in the building, right?
Here's a copy of the filed draft. Note that they specifically name "sport shooting" in their range definition.

My take is that if they get even 1/4 of what they are trying for in VA it'll be a serious blow to gun owners there. To dismiss them and say it's just rhetoric is just stupid, IMO...

2020 SESSION
20104806D
HOUSE BILL NO. 567Offered January 8, 2020Prefiled January 6, 2020A BILL to amend the Code of Virginia by adding in Article 3 of Chapter 12 of Title 18.2 a section numbered 18.2-511.2, relating to indoor shooting ranges; prohibited in buildings not owned or leased by the Commonwealth or federal government; exceptions; civil penalty.----------Patron-- Helmer----------Committee Referral Pending----------
Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:

1. That the Code of Virginia is amended by adding in Article 3 of Chapter 12 of Title 18.2 a section numbered 18.2-511.2 as follows:

§ 18.2-511.2. Indoor shooting ranges; prohibited in private buildings; exceptions; penalty.

A. As used in this section, "indoor shooting range" means any fully enclosed or indoor area or facility designed for the use of rifles, shotguns, pistols, silhouettes, skeet, trap, or black powder or any other similar sport shooting.

B. It is unlawful to operate an indoor shooting range in any building not owned or leased by the Commonwealth or the federal government unless (i) fewer than 50 employees work in the building or (ii) (a) at least 90 percent of the users of the indoor shooting range are law-enforcement officers, as defined in § 9.1-101, or federal law-enforcement officers, (b) the indoor shooting range maintains a log of each user's name, phone number, address, and the law-enforcement agency where such user is employed, and (c) the indoor shooting range verifies each user's identity and address by requiring all users to present a government-issued photo-identification card.

C. Any person that violates the provisions of this section is subject to a civil penalty of not less than $1,000 nor more than $100,000 for the initial violation and $5,000 per day for each day of violation thereafter.

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+ful+HB567+hil
 

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Here's a copy of the filed draft. Note that they specifically name "sport shooting" in their range definition.

My take is that if they get even 1/4 of what they are trying for in VA it'll be a serious blow to gun owners there. To dismiss them and say it's just rhetoric is just stupid, IMO...

2020 SESSION
20104806D
HOUSE BILL NO. 567Offered January 8, 2020Prefiled January 6, 2020A BILL to amend the Code of Virginia by adding in Article 3 of Chapter 12 of Title 18.2 a section numbered 18.2-511.2, relating to indoor shooting ranges; prohibited in buildings not owned or leased by the Commonwealth or federal government; exceptions; civil penalty.----------Patron-- Helmer----------Committee Referral Pending----------
Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:

1. That the Code of Virginia is amended by adding in Article 3 of Chapter 12 of Title 18.2 a section numbered 18.2-511.2 as follows:

§ 18.2-511.2. Indoor shooting ranges; prohibited in private buildings; exceptions; penalty.

A. As used in this section, "indoor shooting range" means any fully enclosed or indoor area or facility designed for the use of rifles, shotguns, pistols, silhouettes, skeet, trap, or black powder or any other similar sport shooting.

B. It is unlawful to operate an indoor shooting range in any building not owned or leased by the Commonwealth or the federal government unless (i) fewer than 50 employees work in the building or (ii) (a) at least 90 percent of the users of the indoor shooting range are law-enforcement officers, as defined in § 9.1-101, or federal law-enforcement officers, (b) the indoor shooting range maintains a log of each user's name, phone number, address, and the law-enforcement agency where such user is employed, and (c) the indoor shooting range verifies each user's identity and address by requiring all users to present a government-issued photo-identification card.

C. Any person that violates the provisions of this section is subject to a civil penalty of not less than $1,000 nor more than $100,000 for the initial violation and $5,000 per day for each day of violation thereafter.

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+ful+HB567+hil


Double holy crap . . . .
 

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These are just bills being introduced.
They arent passed yet and they will be changed in the sausage making process.
all hoopla.
"Just introduced"...yeah, that's all. The writing is on the wall and YOUR 2A rights are under attack...make no mistake about it. The "blue wave" is a REAL thing and it's spreading from the west and the east and is engulfing the middle. It starts with "just introduced" and then a few years later, you have a dumpster fire like Kalifornia. Here in OK, we are safe...for now. How long? We'll have to wait and see.
 

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I've learned what they say is true, those who talk the most (about political schit) and have the strongest opinions, know the least. Those who know the most say nothing. lol
Now yall carry on the hoopla
 

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