I'm with you also EZ. Now that S&W is offering m4 feedramps on civilian rifles if that and the logo were the only difference I'd still pay the little extra for it. The hp/mp testing isn't a deal breaker for me either. M4 feedramps, stake job, extractor upgrades, milspec tube and chrome lining are my only real must haves. I have begged Stag to switch to m4 ramps but they don't see a need for it I guess.