Rand Paul Wins CPAC Straw Poll

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I'd certainly give him the VA. I will say the program overall is in failure mode, but the VA in OKC is top notch in my opinion.

I've had stellar service from them.
 

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Got another buddy that's had 3 knees replaced, a hip and is getting the other hip done pretty quick there. His 1st knee replacement didn't go well, but they did it again with a different type and it worked. He seems satisfied with them.
 

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His comment was that guns should be taken away from inner city black men.

There are lots of inner city black men that are law abiding pro 2A and have their guns for self defense against the criminals in their neighborhoods.

He is out of touch with the constitution. That is my concern.


I did not hear the part about black men specifically but I heard this statement and it's on video...

BECK: Do I have the right to own a semiautomatic weapon?

CARSON: It depsnds on where you live. I think if you live in the midst of a lot of people, and I’m afraid that that semi-automatic weapon is going to fall into the hands of a crazy person, I would rather you not have it.

http://danaloeschradio.com/why-i-dont-support-ben-carson-for-president

He's now tried to back away from that statement by saying this...

"What I expressed there was perhaps a little inartful. What I was trying to get across is that we need to talk about how do we keep dangerous weapons out fo the hands of people who are crazy, of people and people who are horrendous criminals. That was the point, it was inartfully said. In terms of the Second Amendment, absolutely, in no way we should compromise that."

He also said this...

Carson said he opposes a gun registry but supports smart gun technology:

"It doesn't mean that we can't still use our intellect to see if we can figure out some ways to figure out how to keep guns out of the hands of people who are mentally ill. It doesn't mean that we can't look at some safety mechanisms things that can be installed, maybe something that is sensitive to your fingerprint, what have you ... What I'm talking about in terms of technology is a smart gun that locks or unlocks with a code, so that your five year-old doesn't wind up killing somebody with it. it would have nothing to do with any kind of national registry."

http://danaloeschradio.com/dr.-ben-...emark-on-2a-inartful-supports-smart-gun-techn

And some might contend other things he's said would preclude him from getting the party nod anyway.
 

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Only people that really believe in the libertarians should vote for them, if that makes them fools or not is up to them to decide.

As far as Paul's policies, I disagree with legalizing drugs, weakening the military, foreign policy, etc, etc, etc. The only places I do agree with him is in shrinking the size of government and I do not think his policies would do that any more then most Republicans.

I know no one here wants to hear this but, we all think our beliefs are right and if people disagree there must be something wrong with them. (Personally I think liberals played with there "Do It Yourself Home Lobotomy Kit" too much as children.) We also think if people would give our ideas a chance they would see how right we are. This goes for liberals, conservatives, libertarians, atheist, Christians, Muslims, etc, etc, etc. The truth is our beliefs are shaped by many factors in our lives and not some strange mental disorder. You can not make people see things your way and our founding fathers did a pretty decent job of setting things up to deal with that. The main groups are pretty much represented by the two main parties and the fringe groups can have some small impact by joining those two parties or a larger impact by forming their own parties and building a base of supporters. As I have said before, I am hoping the Tea Party splits off and forms another real party. I would support that and if I could I might even run for a local office under it's banner.

I agree that everyone has their own POV and they think it is the right one. That is why the government shouldn't be used to enforce one POV on those who disagree, especially the federal government. The states have more leeway because that allows people to vote with their feet.

As far as Paul's policies, I think your disagreement might involve some misunderstanding of his positions by equating him with a libertarian which he is not. As far as the military goes, he has proposed cutting proposed increases in the military budget very little if at all. Refusing to use the military opening act instead of a last resort is something I think most agree on. I think it is also important that the military seems to share this view which is why his father revived more support from the military in the last election over any other candidate, republican or democrat. He has said he would go after ISIS which is a something a lot are concerned about right now. It should also be mentioned that we spend more on our military than the next 5 to 10 countries depending on what numbers you use. We can have the biggest, baddest military in the world but if China controls our debt it can't defend against that.

I won't hash out the difference between legalization and decriminalization here but I think letting it be a State issue I a valid solution just as with gay marriage and abortion. We will never all agree on one solution so leaving it to the states allows the federal government to focus on issues only it can solve like national defense and foreign affairs. We have more people in prison than any other nation both by percentage and total number, even more than China with almost four times as many people. Home of the free? Our system is broken when violent offenders like child molesters and rapists are let out early to make room for the kid down the street who smokes pot who got 10-15 years because of mandatory minimums. All those offenders then are sentenced the rest of their lives with every job or housing application for a kids mistake. Not to mention the same folks who wrote the law are guilty of the same crime but didn't get caught or are rich enough to buy their way out.

Paul is also for term limits, something I think we badly need. Its hard to find any politician to support that. I guess it could just be for show since it will never pass but who knows.

I'm not saying everyone should agree with me but we need someone who is going to shake the system up. If we keep electing these same establishment people on both sides are country is going to continue this downward spiral. If I can't vote for Paul then I might vote for Bernie Sanders or Warren, the socialists they are, in the hopes they might shake stuff enough to cause a change.
 

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Still arguing over which candidate will leave you with more "rights". Maybe a trip to the range will change Ben's mind...maybe so. And a woman for President...good grief.

Maybe one of these days we'll get a hard-headed Southern boy that understands our Republic is supposed to leave us the **** alone. (domestic policy)
Foreign policy - take pointers from George Washington's farewell address. (technology has changed, principles do not)

Ds and Rs BOTH want to use threat of violence to make us serfs conform to their ideals.

Liberty, indeed.
 

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Carson sucks. His stance on 2A is more liberal than conservatives.

I dont see the gun grabbers as liberal or conservative, the fact is the gun grabbers are all women. Just like Prohibition back in the day, it was the women who wanted that. Dems and Repubs alike both equally like their guns, dont kid yourself. I dont think Obama is a gun grabber either (not down deep).
 

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Still arguing over which candidate will leave you with more "rights". Maybe a trip to the range will change Ben's mind...maybe so. And a woman for President...good grief.

Maybe one of these days we'll get a hard-headed Southern boy that understands our Republic is supposed to leave us the **** alone. (domestic policy)
Foreign policy - take pointers from George Washington's farewell address. (technology has changed, principles do not)

Ds and Rs BOTH want to use threat of violence to make us serfs conform to their ideals.

Liberty, indeed.


You know that another human with a letter denoting their political party affilliation is going to be the nation's savior don't you? No savior would even think of wielding force to make the people conform. Saviors love us. The bible tells us so.

Seriously, no politician gives a crap about any of us. Why give a crap about them? They're in it for themselves and those who kiss their tailends. Only a naive fool thinks voting will make a difference.
 

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You know that another human with a letter denoting their political party affilliation is going to be the nation's savior don't you? No savior would even think of wielding force to make the people conform. Saviors love us. The bible tells us so.

Seriously, no politician gives a crap about any of us. Why give a crap about them? They're in it for themselves and those who kiss their tailends. Only a naive fool thinks voting will make a difference.

So you don't vote?
 

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I agree that everyone has their own POV and they think it is the right one. That is why the government shouldn't be used to enforce one POV on those who disagree, especially the federal government. The states have more leeway because that allows people to vote with their feet.

As far as Paul's policies, I think your disagreement might involve some misunderstanding of his positions by equating him with a libertarian which he is not. As far as the military goes, he has proposed cutting proposed increases in the military budget very little if at all. Refusing to use the military opening act instead of a last resort is something I think most agree on. I think it is also important that the military seems to share this view which is why his father revived more support from the military in the last election over any other candidate, republican or democrat. He has said he would go after ISIS which is a something a lot are concerned about right now. It should also be mentioned that we spend more on our military than the next 5 to 10 countries depending on what numbers you use. We can have the biggest, baddest military in the world but if China controls our debt it can't defend against that.

I won't hash out the difference between legalization and decriminalization here but I think letting it be a State issue I a valid solution just as with gay marriage and abortion. We will never all agree on one solution so leaving it to the states allows the federal government to focus on issues only it can solve like national defense and foreign affairs. We have more people in prison than any other nation both by percentage and total number, even more than China with almost four times as many people. Home of the free? Our system is broken when violent offenders like child molesters and rapists are let out early to make room for the kid down the street who smokes pot who got 10-15 years because of mandatory minimums. All those offenders then are sentenced the rest of their lives with every job or housing application for a kids mistake. Not to mention the same folks who wrote the law are guilty of the same crime but didn't get caught or are rich enough to buy their way out.

Paul is also for term limits, something I think we badly need. Its hard to find any politician to support that. I guess it could just be for show since it will never pass but who knows.

I'm not saying everyone should agree with me but we need someone who is going to shake the system up. If we keep electing these same establishment people on both sides are country is going to continue this downward spiral. If I can't vote for Paul then I might vote for Bernie Sanders or Warren, the socialists they are, in the hopes they might shake stuff enough to cause a change.

Paul is a small L libertarian no matter how much he tries to hide it. He is a lot like his daddy but with a better idea about PR. And yes I do pay attention, not only to what they say but what they do which is far more important.
 

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The worst libertarian is far greater than the best Neo con or Neo con wanna be.

Avoid foriegn entanglements

Shrink the .gov

Stop paying giant for profit prisons ( we have more prisoners than red China, USA,USA,USA,)

Leave people the fluck alone
 

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