I just hate the design. I ordered one from them years ago and I gave it away. With the square edge of the kydex part, its almost impossible to put on while sitting in a vehicle. Almost have to undo your pants to put it on. I use a blackhawk serpa with either the belt loops or paddle exclusively, depending on what Im doing. Their cheap enough I can have one of each for each gun. I do have a Loopers OWB leather that conceals a little better if Im worried about it showing.