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i'm guessing there is a lot about our society and it's language that would be judged harshly. And i doubt our current topic would be the first in line for judgement.

But our language will continue to evolve (or devolve, if you must). And expression and form changes along with it.

What would Shakespeare thought of Jefferson's writings? What would Jefferson have thought of Faulkner (who, by the way, has a 1,288 word sentence in 'Absalom, Absalom!').

But i think the issues at play with this have more to do with how our society views and values education than it does how it views who gets to use what potty.

And i think you write very well. I noticed it right away. I disagree with many things you've said, but you do say it eloquently.

You put one in the -X- Ring with the remark on ‘Education’. In my opinion, it’s the crux of our nation’s dilemma. A lasting testament to Thomas Jefferson’s legacy, The Public Education System, was crippled by the influence of Progressivism. This philosophy reduced academics from the pursuit of excellence to the pursuit of the mundane.

“Our schools have been scientifically designed to prevent over education from happening. The average American (should be) content with their humble role in life, because they're not tempted to think about any other role.”
*U.S. Commissioner of Education, William T. Harris, 1889 , and

“Independent self-reliant people would be a counterproductive anachronism in the collective society of the future where people will be defined by their associations.”
**1896 John Dewey, educational philosopher, proponent of modern public schools.


“The children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society that is coming, where everyone would be interdependent.”
***John Dewey (1899)

The following paragraphs are my opinion based on my own independent research:

John Dewey- (Misguided Philosophical Pragmatist), Psychologist and Educator whose most beneficial contribution to humanity was to die.....but not before his influence successfully undermined the educational effectiveness of teachers and obscured the traditional purpose of education.

The political implications of his philosophical theories which viewed man as a ‘social creature by nature and that the values and rules by which society lives should serve the collective needs and wants rather than those of individuals.’

He postulated that the educational system was the most appropriate and effective environment for experimentation with social reform and for implementing social change. In effect, Dewey did his best to undermine learning as the basis and intent of education and instead redirected its purpose towards molding and conditioning youth to take their place in a future collective society. (cgh)

These two malignant Charlatans are revered by our leading academic authorities, ideologues and strategists who proudly continue their work in the pursuit of reducing our nation’s academic performance to render it as a more pliable population for control by a future Socialist Government.



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When the Jewish people established the nation of Israel, people came from all over the world. They spoke a wide variety of languages but they needed one in common. They chose Hebrew which pretty much fit all criteria of a dead language. It was used for prayer, ceremony, and study. Everybody knew it but nobody "spoke" it.

The old men noticed children in the street contracting some words, and abusing others creating slang, They said "You kids get off my language." They didn't realize that Hebrew was alive again, as it should be.

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If you were to study the Bible more, you would realize that Christians MUST judge. Otherwise, how else would we know with whom it is that we don't want to associate.

Oh I don't doubt you feel that way. However, it's been relayed to me that the opposite is true, often quoting those verses I linked. Whom is correct? IF christians "MUST judge" then where's your constant outrage? Personally, I think it would be exhausting, but nonetheless it seems there's some cherry picking going on to fit a narrative.

Still though, the bible says NOT to judge in multiple ways through multiple verses, you... a man.... says to judge others?
 
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Also, with respect to comments about "consent" with regards (possibly) to that meme, perhaps one should go back and re-read that meme. To me, it didn't seem to imply that consent was even to be considered, but then, maybe I read it wrong instead.

I think many read it as a A leads to B, B leads to C, etc. The meme seemed to imply that the timeline went from demands of tolerance, to equality to baking a cake to being jailed for using the wrong pronouns to being a pedophobe for not letting someone **** your 8 year old.

As has been repeatedly pointed out, the 'flow' of this ridiculous meme doesn't work for a variety of reasons. But the biggest reason that pedophilia (which is often used to create a false slippery slope argument) isn't the same is that an 8 year old can't give consent, no matter how many names you call a person (i.e. pedophobe). That consent is one simple (but big) reason that the last step in the proposed 'evolution' of gay and trans rights is wrong.
 
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You put one in the -X- Ring with the remark on ‘Education’. In my opinion, it’s the crux of our nation’s dilemma. A lasting testament to Thomas Jefferson’s legacy, The Public Education System, was crippled by the influence of Progressivism. This philosophy reduced academics from the pursuit of excellence to the pursuit of the mundane.

“Our schools have been scientifically designed to prevent over education from happening. The average American (should be) content with their humble role in life, because they're not tempted to think about any other role.”
*U.S. Commissioner of Education, William T. Harris, 1889 , and

“Independent self-reliant people would be a counterproductive anachronism in the collective society of the future where people will be defined by their associations.”
**1896 John Dewey, educational philosopher, proponent of modern public schools.


“The children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society that is coming, where everyone would be interdependent.”
***John Dewey (1899)

The following paragraphs are my opinion based on my own independent research:

John Dewey- (Misguided Philosophical Pragmatist), Psychologist and Educator whose most beneficial contribution to humanity was to die.....but not before his influence successfully undermined the educational effectiveness of teachers and obscured the traditional purpose of education.

The political implications of his philosophical theories which viewed man as a ‘social creature by nature and that the values and rules by which society lives should serve the collective needs and wants rather than those of individuals.’

He postulated that the educational system was the most appropriate and effective environment for experimentation with social reform and for implementing social change. In effect, Dewey did his best to undermine learning as the basis and intent of education and instead redirected its purpose towards molding and conditioning youth to take their place in a future collective society. (cgh)

These two malignant Charlatans are revered by our leading academic authorities, ideologues and strategists who proudly continue their work in the pursuit of reducing our nation’s academic performance to render it as a more pliable population for control by a future Socialist Government.



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i'll have to look into it more, but i was going to say something more along the lines of 'teaching to the test' has harmed us. No child left behind and other testing-based models are creating a generation of people who cannot think for themselves. I heard professors and college coaches talking about it all the time. Kids are coming in expecting to be told the answers and tested on them (and coaches are saying kids don't know how to fail). They don't like being asked to *think* (compare, contrast, etc) topics that have no correct answer.

i'll think about it more and see if i can't find the amount that states like MS are spending on testing contracts (it's stupidly high, ridiculously poorly administered and often only 'helps' the politicians who pass the legislation for the contracts)
 

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Oh I don't doubt you feel that way. However, it's been relayed to me that the opposite is true, often quoting those verses I linked. Whom is correct? IF christians "MUST judge" then where's your constant outrage? Personally, I think it would be exhausting, but nonetheless it seems there's some cherry picking going on to fit a narrative.

Still though, the bible says NOT to judge in multiple ways through multiple verses, you... a man.... says to judge others?

To be fair, the Bible addresses different situations concerning judgement as well as motivations for doing so, but I believe the findings in the study below speak volumes.

https://www.barna.com/research/christians-more-like-jesus-or-pharisees/
 
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I use Harry's Razors...when I bother to shave that is, which is usually when the wife badgers the crap out of me and says I look like a street bum. I like 'em, as much as one can like dragging a sharp blade over one's face that is. They have a deal on their website where you sign up and they send new blades automatically. Me likey, easy and convenient.

Oh, and FYI, I am a MAN and my wife is a WOMAN. Nothing complicated, just a plain old male and female of couple of the heterosexual persuasion. We find that works for us. YMMV.
 

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Jesus has love and compassion, but His patience is not endless. Everyone wants to paint Him in their own understanding, but they would be wise to read His words and take Him as He is. There are churches and Christians who are all about grace and nothing else matters to the point of welcoming unrepentent sin and worshipper's of false gods into their midst, and there are churches and Christians who are all about sin and nothing else matters and they have no love and compassion. Neither approach is on the mark, and the truth is in the middle.

Jesus offers grace and forgiveness to those who accept Him. Those who are not embarrassed of Him. He also expect obedience and for His followers to leave their sinful life behind. He is always painted as this soft meek guy, but we should remember He fashioned the whip and drove out the money changers. He rebukes His churches in Revelation with absolute strength and authority. Even His patience was often tested dealing with how difficult people are, you could see it all the time. "How long shall I put up with you?".

One thing is for certain, there is a lot of non-truth in the world and there are also a lot of false teachers. I understand your point of view JD8 of who to believe because they all say different things. My advise is read and decide for yourself. I measure every teacher against the Word. If they say what the Word is saying, they might be worth listening to, if they say something that is the opposite of what the Word is saying, not so much.
 

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I use Harry's too, and I believe you can post a code so that if someone here wants to try them you can both get a $5 discount. I'll let you do that, since you brought it up. You should be able to get it from their website.
Oh, and FYI, I am a MAN and my wife is a WOMAN. Nothing complicated, just a plain old male and female of couple of the heterosexual persuasion. We find that works for us. YMMV.
LOL! How boring. :)
 

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