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Here is something that needs to be touched on and that is group formation. I think that it goers without saying that if you are by yourself, you will have a much harder time in a situation that is one of extended duration. While you can certainly survive for short periods of time by yourself, the long-term prospects are much more difficult to prepare for.

For this reason then, I would suggest a group approach as the best one for long-term preparedness.

Groups provide several advantages over going it alone. First, of course, is company. Man is by nature, a social creature and having a group of friends and relatives around in times of crisis can be a great comfort.

Second is the sharing of skills. Not everyone can do all things well, and having people around who are better at doing necessary things than you are, allows you to concentrate on those things that you are good at. For example, cooking, medical, organization, farming, mechanics, communications, security are all skills that can be very useful in a TEOTWAWKI scenario, but very, very few people are good at all of them.

The third advantage is that of expense in getting prepared. Groups have more bargaining power than individuals and they can quite often get things cheaper. If everyone agrees on some common calibers for example, ammunition can be purchased in large quantities, and thus everyone's expenses can be pared. Food would be another example. Purchased in bulk, it is much less expensive because there is less packaging, hence less expense in producing. Also off-brands have much less advertising expense, and their quality is usually comparable to well-known name brands. Also you can afford a much greater variety, hence a better-balanced diet.

These are some of the advantages of groups in SHTF-type situations.

Now, here are some things to watch out for.

First, you don't need nut-cases. Some of these people can cause greater apprehension than the folks outside of the group. Rambo types, for example need not apply to any group I want to be part of.

Second are those with serious mental problems. I worked at Boeing in Renton a long time ago and when I was there, I had the unfortunate experience of working next to a gal who was actually psychotic. (And no, I did not drive her batty. She was that way long before I knew her. This gal saw people watching her that weren't there. That type of psychotic.) Weed these people out.

Third are those people who are very insecure and think that they have to prove something all the time. This can cause a lot of friction within a group, and is to be avoided whenever possible.

Those who won't pull their own weight should be avoided as well.

How would such a group be organized? They can be organized on a family basis, or a group of friends or maybe even through an internet forum. (hint! hint!) I would suggest that any group be confined to a specific geographic area, because in the event of trouble, you want a central rallying point that everyone in the group easily can get to, someplace to count heads as it were. For example, if someone in the group has a farm outside the beaten path, the members of the group could agree to meet at the farm. In this case, the farm could serve as both the retreat and the rallying point. Try not to make it too far away though, as you want everyone in the group to have a chance to get there. I would say that a retreat should not be any more than 100 miles from any one member.

Are there things that I haven't thought of? Of course there are; I'm a realist. But that is the reason why I am starting this dsicussion.
 

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Groups can also be formed into "raiders". In the absence of laws, anything goes. Im about surviving, not rebuilding. If shtf across this nation groups would do well on both sides, good or otherwise.
 

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Groups would be necessary, the trouble is you would have to have some basis of trust in forming them, thus, IMO to be most able to succeed, it would need to be well established before SHTF.

I have always scratched my head at the lone wolf, bug in type city preppers. It would only take two people working in a group to relieve them of their preps.
 

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I think everyone agrees that having those around you to work with is a great asset, however, although I talk and interact with many, I don't trust many. There are a few whom I've talked to and have agreements with in the event we need to lean on each other, but aside from that, if you aren't family, you are on the outside.

It's funny to hear those who have known me for years reference coming to get help in a time of need, but to there surprise I won't be around and I won't have anything for them. They are too cheap/lazy to prepare for themselves, and I'm not doing it for them.

I think necessity would help some groups to form at a later time, but again, building that trust is HARD and prepper types tend to be type A personalities who don't play well with others. True leaders have an A personality but know how to relate to those following them. I don't find many of those in my daily activities but always make a note when I do.

Great topic!
 

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The biggest problem I have found is the initial formation of a group. I've been unable to figure out a good way to vet potential members, and probably just as difficult is determining where to meet the members. Online people talk big, but many are just full of hot air. Offline, I tend to stay home rather than venture out, so I don't meet many people, not that I'd know where to look.

With that in mind, what are some good methods of meeting like minded individuals in which a group could possible gel? How do you avoid the blowhards? What's the best way to vet potential friends and extended family? I can only imagine that's what they'd become over time.
 

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I think theres a few people on OSA that would be solid candidates for a group. Ive never met them in person but from seeing their posts for a few years, id be ok.

For me, its about what you bring to the table.
 

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I've found that just because you can bring something to the table, no matter how valuable, the personality just may clash so bad it would be more bad than good. That said, there are quite a few on OSA that seem to have the same mindset as I, and we already have one major thing in common, our love of guns and shooting.
 

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For me, its about what you bring to the table.

That is key. Everyone I have plans with were all meet away from prepping while doing activities we were both interested in. Hunting, fishing, building structures, mechanical, etc... After getting to know them personally I could understand their strengths and weakness an only then brought up the idea of prepping together.

I also take in to account the thoughts and beliefs of their spouses. I need to understand who might go nuts first, as they are the weakest link.

You would be amazed how many have ideas but either don't feel comfortable or know where to start. Just talk to people. Most of neighbors are useless, aside from 3 the rest couldn't get themself out of a wet paper sack. Several of my closest friends live in other outskirts.

Just start talking with those you are closest with.
 

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I am actually encouraged by the number of responses in so short a time. And I appreciate that they are serious responses at that. When I tried this a few years ago on this forum there were a bunch a garbage responses that resulted in a locked thread. BadgeBunny, do you remember that?

The biggest problem I have found is the initial formation of a group. I've been unable to figure out a good way to vet potential members, and probably just as difficult is determining where to meet the members. Online people talk big, but many are just full of hot air. Offline, I tend to stay home rather than venture out, so I don't meet many people, not that I'd know where to look.

With that in mind, what are some good methods of meeting like minded individuals in which a group could possible gel? How do you avoid the blowhards? What's the best way to vet potential friends and extended family? I can only imagine that's what they'd become over time.
Probably the best way that I would suggest is to use the PM service of this forum and you may be able to get a good initial feel for the person. After a few PM's, you might think about setting up a meet somewhere reasonable. One thing to watch out for if Obama wins the upcoming election, is federal LE setting up traps to catch 'domestic terrorists' so don't agree to do anything illegal. If the person meeting you does make any such suggestion, leave immediately.
I think theres a few people on OSA that would be solid candidates for a group. Ive never met them in person but from seeing their posts for a few years, id be ok.
I would agree with this as well. The vast majority of the encounters I have had on these boards have been good, but I have also dealt with a few who have left a very bad taste in my mouth as well. So this is a very good idea: to use the dealing with folks on this board as a guide to vette potential group members.

One other thing, and that is do not have a requirement that the members of the group be of a certain race. There a number of reasons that I say this. One is because it is simply wrong to exclude someone just because of their race. Also, my failure to make this clear led to a serious mis-understanding with one of the administrators of another forum. Another reason is because an all-White group tends to invite federal scrutiny. There are valid reasons to keep some people out, but their race is not one of them.

Again, thanks for the responses, folks.
 

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Your above post is spot-on. Understanding the inherent risks of establishing a group nearly overcomes the benefits.

You have a couple of inherent issues with forming a group. The biggest one is security. With no system to vet the potential participants, you open yourself to the very people on your weeding list. Those same people will be the first to compromise your info out of a need to retaliate. In our polarized climate, a discussion of this type of "group" activity will get you on the collectivist's radar, and they are KNOWN to infiltrate groups to gather intel. They have a system to build background legends that a casual review will not detect. This has nothing to do with the composition of the group. Once you exceed the 'approved' levels of prep recommended by FEMA, you are a potential violator. Profiling by "minority appearance" is unapproved. Profiling by any other method is acceptable, and even encouraged. Look at the Missouri DHS documents that came to light. Those were profiles based on military service, political views, geographic location, religious affiliation, and so on.

Those people that advertise on the various TV shows are seriously defective in their security, provided Hanlon's Razor does not apply.

I agree that single, or even small family, preparedness-minded folks are at risk after an event. Pre-plans are great, but it will be difficult to conduct your preparations as a detainee.

It is possible, I think, to do this. Extreme caution is advised. It's just not something "normal" people do.

"Normal" people wait on FEMA, and completely ignore the 96 hour rule.
 

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