HB 3354 - Open Carry

[Rod Snell]

The entire point of my post was that Arizona can't be used as an example of untrained gun carriers being safe gun carriers. The comment was made that if the licensing was removed

Arizona has never required a license or training for OPEN CARRY.
Here is the actual Arizona law:

13-3102. Misconduct involving weapons; defenses; classification; definitions

A. A person commits misconduct involving weapons by knowingly:

1. Carrying a deadly weapon without a permit pursuant to section 13-3112 except a pocket knife concealed on his person; or

G. Subsection A, paragraph 1 of this section shall not apply to a weapon or weapons carried in a belt holster that is wholly or partially visible, carried in a scabbard or case designed for carrying weapons that is wholly or partially visible or carried in luggage. Subsection A, paragraph 2 of this section shall not apply to a weapon or weapons carried in a case, holster, scabbard, pack or luggage that is carried within a means of transportation or within a storage compartment, map pocket, trunk or glove compartment of a means of transportation.

Like my home state of KY, an eligible person can carry OPENLY by right,
but must take a state-approved class and buy a license to carry concealed.

(until the new AZ law takes effect)

 

[abajaj11]

Playing devils advocate here (sort of):

Owning (if legally allowed) and shooting a gun in a legal location is a right....no training required. Concealed (and open) carry is a privilege just like having a drivers license....that's a fact.

Do you not have to take an exam in order to legally drive a car? Yes you do. Do you absolutely have to drive a car? No.

2A gives the Right to keep and bear arms.
Bearing arms is NOT a privilege.
Anymore than carrying a book is.
Driving a car can be constitutionally construed as a privilege. Not the RKBA.
RKBA is a right that cannot be infringed.
It says so. In the constitution.
In my opinion, any laws limiting the RKBA are unconstitutional. Just like any laws saying you can read a book but can't read the Internet would be unconstitutional.

 

[Anaconda40]

Just talked to my Rep., Derby from Owasso. He said he didn't have a feel whether the Gov would sign it, but felt comfortable that there was enough support to override the veto, should it come to that.

 

[cowmugger]

cowmugger, would you happen to have a source for that quote? McPeak is my Rep and I'm sorry to say I voted for him and would like the entire quote if possible.

http://newsok.com/article/3459027

NewsOK, published May 5, 2010

"Open carry-weapon bill draws Oklahoma House approval "
BY MICHAEL MCNUTT

 

[ExtremistPullup]

http://newsok.com/article/3459027

NewsOK, published May 5, 2010

"Open carry-weapon bill draws Oklahoma House approval "
BY MICHAEL MCNUTT

why do they have a picture of a person drawing a pistol for a Open Carry article.

 

[DanB]

More than likely its all they had. That and the picture of Barney was in black and white.

It will be interesting to see what happens. I was talking to a coworker about it. he was against it when I first told him the law being considered. He had no clue that OK was one of a handful of states that outlawed open carry.

They way I see it. If Henry does sign the law there will be a surge of people open carrying. That will slowly die down to fewer people. Sure the Brady Campaign will put us on the bottom of their like list. They will probably pay for billboards on the state lines warning visitors they could get shot in a wild west style shootout. Bloomberg will sue the state for something stupid. PITA will get upset at the amount of animals killed for their leather hides for belts and holsters. In the end life will continue to go on and everyone will get used to it.

That is IF Henry gets enough positive feedback from his advisors.

 

[nephets0]

*hopes and prays this passes*

Just hoping for another option during this summer heat...

 

[onwmed]

2A gives the Right to keep and bear arms.
Bearing arms is NOT a privilege.
Anymore than carrying a book is.
Driving a car can be constitutionally construed as a privilege. Not the RKBA.
RKBA is a right that cannot be infringed.
It says so. In the constitution.
In my opinion, any laws limiting the RKBA are unconstitutional. Just like any laws saying you can read a book but can't read the Internet would be unconstitutional.

I never said the CC laws were constitutional. I just said that there were laws that are in place in order to CC that are similar (legally allowed to, exam etc.) to that of having a drivers license. All of this is in the eyes of the law mind you. Not me personally.

I'm glad it passed. I'm looking forward to carrying my Kimber with a little bit more of an at ease feeling if my shirt untucks. Plus, I hate having to dig around in my cargo short pockets for my .380.

 

[Talacker]

The biggest change for me (if the bill is signed) will be carrying in the car. It is ridiculous that we currently have to conceal while in a car. If carrying on the body, concealed under clothes and a seat belt, the firearm may as well be unloaded in the trunk. This will allow for some more options.

 

[Werewolf]

I'm surprised at the number of people who think training should be *required*. . .sorta like we have to get training before going to church, or writing a book, or voting.

Is that uncomfortable? Yes, sometimes it is. I don't like people attending militant Muslim mosques, or writing books filled with hate and bigotry. . .but a right is a right is a right.

+1000

It seems there are a few among us who do GET IT.