3 states have defunded planned parenthood.

[Billybob]

Just seems to me someone ripped off Hammurabi's Code, added their religious stuff, then use it to claim "their God" is the originator and sole source of all moral right/wrong. Not that the Bible is wrong, maybe just misrepresented or misused.

 

[RidgeHunter]

We blame parents for being unreasonable and not giving their kids birth control but that raises the question of parental rights and personal morals. Also when I was young and also later I knew of girls who wouldn't ask for birth control because it meant loosing status with parents(not the innocent princess anymore) or that they would loose freedom because their parents didn't want them having sex.
I also knew at least a couple that didn't want BC because they were "good girls", they may have sex but didn't "plan to" so that made it "different". I also knew girls who didn't intend to have sex but wanted to run and party and would often at times end up loaded and in the sack(not at fault, I was loaded). Maybe part of the problem is we seem want to separate females from human nature and treat them as if they're more moral and holy than men. Where would something like that come from?, Chivalry?, Mariology?, or just weak men who want and worship ***** or know they can gain from pandering to them.

Quoted because awesome.

Yup, women have always been treated as some weird tool/object in male sexuality instead of human beings with human sexuality. It's real creepy, and damaging, and ending it is way overdue.

 

[MaddSkillz]

That is property law. "Thou Shall Not Covet Thy Neighbors Wife" is an an example of morality law, which I think, but could be wrong, is not covered in other ancient law. I'd have to research but don't have time at the moment.

From what I have seen and researched in the past, the bible has the most comprehensive listing of right and wrong morality laws and then also includes property laws similar to other ancient civilizations.

Be sure that if you beat your slave that they recover within 2 days.
Also, if your daughter is raped, she must marry her rapist.
And, if you happen to wipe out another army... Take all the women who haven't known a man and kill the rest.

Because the Bible says so.

 

[OKCHunter]

Just seems to me someone ripped off Hammurabi's Code, added their religious stuff, then use it to claim "their God" is the originator and sole source of all moral right/wrong. Not that the Bible is wrong, maybe just misrepresented or misused.

Maybe, but Hammurabi's code was supposedly inspired by a god. Maybe it was actually the God. I would guess that Moses was aware of Hammurabi's code. I think it preceded him by only a few hundred years.

 

[MaddSkillz]

Maybe, but Hammurabi's code was supposedly inspired by a god. Maybe it was actually the God. I would guess that Moses was aware of Hammurabi's code. I think it preceded him by only a few hundred years.

Sounds like convenient speculation to protect the an uncomfortable idea.

But maybe it isn't.

 

[Shootin 4 Fun]

Quoted because awesome.

Yup, women have always been treated as some weird tool/object in male sexuality instead of human beings with human sexuality. It's real creepy, and damaging, and ending it is way overdue.

Worshipping and pandering to women isn't the worst idea ever, they have half the money in the world and all of the ***** that they can stand.

 

[OKCHunter]

Be sure that if you beat your slave that they recover within 2 days.
Also, if your daughter is raped, she must marry her rapist.
And, if you happen to wipe out another army... Take all the women who haven't known a man and kill the rest.

Because the Bible says so.

I'd recommend you view the Old Testament as a historical document describing life under much less civilized and inspired times. The New Testament and the teachings of Jesus are what we need to follow at this time of human existence.

 

[MaddSkillz]

I'd recommend you view the Old Testament as a historical document describing life under much less civilized and inspired times. The New Testament and the teachings of Jesus are what we need to follow at this time of human existence.

That's the thing, though. Those were endorsed and commanded by your god. This is also why Christians cannot subscribe to universal morality. Because you're essentially saying that was once "moral" no longer is. So time influences morality in your perspective.

It also means that in many cases, a non-Christian morality is superior as those things were wrong then as they're wrong now.

Going full-circle here... But this goes back to God mimicking the mindset of the time. He wasn't progressive, he wasn't different. He was just like the men that ruled the world at the time. Very anti-women's rights, slaves rights, non-virgin's rights etc... If anything, it's more evidence that God is the creation from the mind's of men of ancient ideologies than the creator of it.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

O.k...

"With the army providing free abortions for female soldiers, and social workers actively promoting abortion as a cure-all for emotional and economic woes, abortion in Israel is a widely accepted practice." April 7, 1997

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/1997/april7/7t4060.html

THE LAW: The army social services can refer a female soldier for up to 2 Government subsidized abortions during her 18-month army service.
In Practice: Although these soldiers do not fit the requirements of the abortion committee because they are not necessarily under 19, there is no medical danger to mother or child and the pregnancy is the result of a consensual relationship, yet they are entitled to two free abortions facilitated by the army. For soldiers in elite unit there seems to be no limit on the number of abortions allowed. Significant pressure is placed on the soldiers to abort and a woman who chooses to keep her pregnancy is immediately released from army service. We are thankful that recently, an army social worker has referred several women in crisis to Be'ad Chaim.

http://www.beadchaim.com/Abortion-in-practice

You linked to an article that is 18 years old and it mentions changes were being proposed. What is the current status?

The second article does have a 2013 date in the text so I assume it is current.

From the second article:

The army social services can refer a female soldier for up to 2 Government subsidized abortions during her 18-month army service.

The army doesn't appear to be paying for the abortion(s) but the government is. That said, I realize it is splitting fungible hairs. Be'ad Chaim appears to me to be the Israeli equivalent to Planned Parenthood. So, even with the Army social services only going as far as referring female soldiers for abortions, some money we contribute to Israel's defense does play a hand. I then can say we should not contribute to Israel's defense. The same should hold for any nation with subsidized abortion that we contribute to their defense. No money for them that have government subsidized abortion.

Woody

 

[IndVet]

MaddSkillz indeed. I'm impressed with your arguments.