New leak shows ATF planning on issuing rule to eliminate private sale of firearms.

[Cat City Slim]

Even if the rule is passed, it will be unenforceable. The ATF doesn't have sufficient manpower to police private firearm sales. It will need to rely on state and city police forces to enforce the law. The gun friendly states have already stated that they will not commit any state resources to enforce the new rules that have already passed. It isn't likely that any of them will take action to enforce this either.

 

[RETOKSQUID]

“with the principal objective of livelihood AND profit”. Not or profit.

Reading comprehension is not one of the governments strong points.

 

[1shott]

Would now be a good time for a coast to coast gun rights petetition to be in every gun shop, bait shop, sporting goods store, and front and center on online shops as well.

1) Do away with forms 4473.

2) No serial number data or decriptions on the fbi back ground check.

3) Repeal gca 1934
4) Repeal gca 1968

Feel free to add to my list any trash that needs removed I might have missed!

I mean, really this could be pulled off if the big organizations like the Gun Owners of America, NRA, etc etc got the ball rolling!

I said it many times, if openly violating federal laws on POT works in Oklahoma, why should firearm laws matter?

Until I see the feds raid the grows, dispensaries and the homes of those who openly use the stuff, its all clown world.

Not advocating anyone violate any firearms laws or regulations just pointing out the hypacrosy of ignoring one while punishing another.

 

[bigred1]

I said it many times, if openly violating federal laws on POT works in Oklahoma, why should firearm laws matter?

Until I see the feds raid the grows, dispensaries and the homes of those who openly use the stuff, its all clown world.

Not advocating anyone violate any firearms laws or regulations just pointing out the hypacrosy of ignoring one while punishing another.

Difference as I see is the Democrats/Liberals want pot legalized federally.

 

[1shott]

Difference as I see is the Democrats/Liberals want pot legalized federally.

And why would they want that?

If the left wants you to have anything then you have to know it’s not in your best interest

 

[Snattlerake]

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

 

[Profreedomokie]

And why would they want that?

If the left wants you to have anything then you have to know it’s not in your best interest

My theory is that is pot were legal and more people used it, crime would go up. Studies have proven today's pot, that is high in THC, causes serious mental illnesses. More crime makes it easier to get people to give up more liberty for more security. We will be a true banana republic when they have armed soldiers on every street corner.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

This bureaucracy called the ATF, along with the Biden administration, are doing their best it seems to make revolution necessary. Congress and the Court need to step up to the plate, reign these people in, and make revolution unnecessary. That, after all, is what the people in our government are supposed to do. Those people were elected to protect our rights, not their power and position.

It is said that the power of our government is divided into three branches. In reality, there are four branches to our government. We the People comprise the first branch, Congress the second branch, the Executive the third, and the Judiciary the fourth. Why are we first? Because We the People have rights, the other three only have powers delegated to them derived from our rights. We have the right to cut them off if and when any of those other three branches fail in their duties or attempt to become dictatorial, tyrannical, or even despotic in an attempt to usurp our rights and subjugate us.

The three branches of government We the People created via the Constitution were designed to keep each other of them in check and in compliance with the Constitution as We the People so dictated. If those branches, any or all of them, run afoul of the Constitution, We the People have the final say - our exclusive right - as to how to set things back on track. We have the power to replace the errant people in government with the power of our votes, and if that fails, we have the right to use arms to effect our constitutional order.

Even if those in government feel they are exercising some ethereal power to keep us free from harm by disarming us, maybe have no intention of subjugating us or becoming some sort of tyrannical dictator, they would make us vulnerable to anyone else who would have those desires. That would make them no less despotic as those to whom they would make us vulnerable. Whether their actions be an end or create the opportunity for an unintended consequence, We the People need to wake up, put our foot down, and stand ready with our arms to assure our freedom. Our arms are the only guarantee that freedom will reign.

As I often say, "Knowing the past, I will not surrender any arms and march less prepared into the future."

Woody

 

[Glocktogo]

There's really only one effective way left to correct our course.

 

[Jgibs0321]

https://www.ammoland.com/2023/08/ne...ule-to-eliminate-private-sales/#axzz89iwxy2DZ
The Biden administration will use executive orders and the weaponized ATF to issue a rule limiting the private sales of firearms. According to the New York Times and verified by AmmoLand News sources, the new rule is expected to be unveiled by the end of the year.

President Joe Biden plans to announce that he is directing the ATF to close what Everytown calls the “private sales loophole” and the “digital loophole.” The “private sales loophole” is when an individual sells a firearm for profit but does not possess a Federal Firearm License (FFL).

Biden will call on the ATF to develop a new rule requiring anyone who makes any profit by selling firearms to possess an FFL. Guns tend to increase in value over time. A gun purchased in 1980 will likely sell for more money today than its original value.​

The so-called “digital loophole” includes marketplaces like Armslist Firearms Classified, where private individuals can list their firearms for sale. The Biden administration wants to see these marketplaces shut down, but it is unclear exactly how that unconstitutional goal will be accomplished. Websites like Armslist do not sell firearms directly.

AmmoLand News spoke to Armslist Founder Jonathan Gibbon about the attacks his company faces and the upcoming ATF rule. Armslist has been battling anti-gun groups for years, fending off several lawsuits. Armslist has a perfect track record at defeating these attacks, but the cases are costly.



The rule, currently in draft form, is expected to be announced later this year. The announcement will be followed by a public comment period. The Biden administration aims to reveal the final rule by late spring or early summer of 2024 and for it to go into effect by the fall of next year. The rule is still in the early stages of development, so the timeline is subject to change.

Previous ATF rule changes, such as the frame/receiver rule, bump stock rule, and pistol brace rule, have been successfully challenged in court. The courts have ruled that the ATF does not have the authority to pass these rules subverting the powers of Congress to make laws. In an attempt to head off another defeat, the ATF and the Justice Department will claim that the power to require private sellers to obtain an FFL was delegated to them by Congress through the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act (BSCA).


The BSCA was a massive gun control bill that passed Congress with the support of some Republicans. The bill changed the definition of a “gun seller.” The BSCA altered the wording of Section 921(a) of Title 18, United States Code. The BSCA altered the definition of someone “engaged in the business” of selling guns from “with the principal objective of livelihood and profit” to the ambiguous statement of “to predominantly earn a profit.” Now the Biden Administration is exploiting that change through the upcoming rule. From the text of the BSCA:

Many gun rights groups tried to warn Republicans such as Senator John Cornyn, chief architect of the BSCA, that the Biden administration would exploit the anti-gun law, but these pleas were ignored.​

The main force pushing for the new rule is Everytown for Gun Safety. The Bloomberg-backed anti-freedom group sees the new requirements for sellers to obtain an FFL to get closer to universal background checks (UBC). President Biden and other Democrat politicians have taken millions of dollars from the group and will need the organization’s war chest for the upcoming elections.

Universal background checks have been a cornerstone of the Biden anti-gun plan, but so far have been a non-starter in Congress. With the President unable to pass any bill that includes UBCs, the White House is doing what it considers the next best thing.​

This rule shows the gun community that any “compromise” will be used against gun rights, and the ATF claiming authority through the BSCA shows that the recent losses have the ATF scrambling to prevent future losses by pointing to legislation even if the law has to be taken out of context.

We should ban private sales. How else will the federal government make money and control another aspect of society? Scoff.