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He can cry all he wants, I have zero sympathy for this puke. This dumbass was in the prime of his life, worked out and was absolutely ripped. He could have had all the women he wanted and yet that wasn't enough. Good riddance....

It wasn't about the sex. It was about the power he commanded over these women.

I think there are very few cases where non-murder crimes should result in life in prison.

Rapists should be offered castration in return for a shorter sentence.

Rape is a serious and horrific crime, but it's not murder.

Apparently, you don't have a vagina and all the corresponding accoutrements. You might feel different if you were raped by a powerful man in a position of authority. :(
 

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It wasn't about the sex. It was about the power he commanded over these women.



Apparently, you don't have a vagina and all the corresponding accoutrements. You might feel different if you were raped by a powerful man in a position of authority. :(

I don't think i've done anything to make that 'apparent', and my sex doesn't make my opinion on the subject any less valid. Throwing entire genders into the same bucket is a very slippery slope. I don't see saying "You only disagree with my position because you have a penis" as any different than "you only disagree with my opinion because you are *insert race here*". I have a mother, a sister and i've had girlfriends in the past. Just because i don't advocate life in prison for rapists doesn't mean i must lack a vagina. 15-20 years in prison is still 1/4 of the average lifespan. But for these sick individuals, treatment or castration seems more appropriate depending on severity in combination with a long sentence.

And yes, i might feel different(read: biased) if it occurred to me.
 

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I don't think i've done anything to make that 'apparent', and my sex doesn't make my opinion on the subject any less valid. Throwing entire genders into the same bucket is a very slippery slope. I don't see saying "You only disagree with my position because you have a penis" as any different than "you only disagree with my opinion because you are *insert race here*". I have a mother, a sister and i've had girlfriends in the past. Just because i don't advocate life in prison for rapists doesn't mean i must lack a vagina. 15-20 years in prison is still 1/4 of the average lifespan. But for these sick individuals, treatment or castration seems more appropriate depending on severity in combination with a long sentence.

And yes, i might feel different(read: biased) if it occurred to me.
You might feel a little different too if someone very close to you was raped. I don't care, if you rape someone you should be put to death. Period. Not castration and certainly no "treatment". These animals don't deserve to be breathing anymore. And our messed up system usually dumps these freaks back onto the streets way too soon. That's the last thing that should Happen. And I am sick of seeing your pathetic comments basically saying he shouldn't be given that much time and that rape isn't that big a deal. You need your dang head examined. This dirt bag got off easy in my opinion. These suckers that rape people should be tortured before being killed. Why should we have to pay for this sick freak to be in prison for the rest of his worthless life? Why don't you find another forum to spew your ignorance on.
 

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I don't think i've done anything to make that 'apparent', and my sex doesn't make my opinion on the subject any less valid. Throwing entire genders into the same bucket is a very slippery slope. I don't see saying "You only disagree with my position because you have a penis" as any different than "you only disagree with my opinion because you are *insert race here*". I have a mother, a sister and i've had girlfriends in the past. Just because i don't advocate life in prison for rapists doesn't mean i must lack a vagina. 15-20 years in prison is still 1/4 of the average lifespan. But for these sick individuals, treatment or castration seems more appropriate depending on severity in combination with a long sentence.

And yes, i might feel different(read: biased) if it occurred to me.

A quarter of a lifetime for a sick, disturbed individual as he is nothing. Also, castration will do nothing to stop people like him. If you listened/watched/read the verdict and charges you would realize he was charged with rape by instrumentation.
 

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A quarter of a lifetime for a sick, disturbed individual as he is nothing. Also, castration will do nothing to stop people like him. If you listened/watched/read the verdict and charges you would realize he was charged with rape by instrumentation.

Honestly, i don't know the full story. I only know the cursory details.

You might feel a little different too if someone very close to you was raped. I don't care, if you rape someone you should be put to death. Period. Not castration and certainly no "treatment". These animals don't deserve to be breathing anymore. And our messed up system usually dumps these freaks back onto the streets way too soon. That's the last thing that should Happen. And I am sick of seeing your pathetic comments basically saying he shouldn't be given that much time and that rape isn't that big a deal. You need your dang head examined. This dirt bag got off easy in my opinion. These suckers that rape people should be tortured before being killed. Why should we have to pay for this sick freak to be in prison for the rest of his worthless life? Why don't you find another forum to spew your ignorance on.

Emotion vs Logic, what wins? We should examine the human condition, the causes of rape and how to best rehabilitate and prevent future attacks. No one should be killed by the State for any reason, in my opinion.

No one is 'worthless of life', lebensunwertes leben. Everyone is entitled to live, even rapists and murderers. And torture is forbidden by the U.S. constitution for a reason. It's the realm of dictators and despots.

I understand your emotion, but it has no place in the judicial process. I agree he is sick, and he needs to be treated. I never said rape isn't a big deal, i just said it's not the same as murder.
 

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LOL. The dude advocating for castration wants you to keep emotion out of the judicial process.

Someone that bent on serial rape would not be safer after castration anyways. You sound like an idiot. Rape of this nature has almost nothing to do with sexual pleasure for the rapist. He'd rape by instrumentation if you cut his dick off and threw it in the river.

A lot of older sex criminals can't even get erections. Doesn't stop them.

He's proven he can't be trusted on the streets. 13 times. I don't support capital punishment but do support keeping dangerous violent criminals in cages.

When do you start preaching about false rape claims and overvalued women screwing over "nice guys" like you?
 

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LOL. The dude advocating for castration wants you to keep emotion out of the judicial process.

Someone that bent on serial rape would not be safer after castration anyways. You sound like an idiot. Rape ofcthis nature has almost nothing to do with sexual pleasure for the rapist. He'd rape by instrumentation if you cut his dick off and threw it in the river.

A lot of older sex criminals can't even get erections. Doesn't stop them.

He's proven he can't be trusted on the streets. 13 times. I don't support capital punishment but do support keeping dangerous violent criminals in cages.

Chemical castration is used for pedophiles as well, and it seems to work somewhat well. Not an emotional argument based on punishment but rather a practical idea, from my point of view.

I also support keeping dangerous criminals off the streets -- who doesn't? but rehabilitation makes more sense than paying to keep them in a prison for the rest of their life for non-murder crimes.
 

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