Bumpfire Stock Ban

[Glocktogo]

Define society? Are we going to make an app and everyone gets a vote? Approximately 1/2 half of society thanks there should be not guns at all ? Maybe in the perfect conservative Utopia society can decide .....but in reality society today would be split down the middle saying the reformed person should have never owned a gun in the first place....so how does this undefined society decide and what are the rules?

I am not disagreeing with your concept here only pointing out the fact that simply saying society decides really isn’t that simple.

That's really the problem. It isn't what is or isn't illegal. It's that society has been brought to heel. We're no longer allowed to put inmates on chain gangs and make them break rocks. We're no longer allowed to keep them in prison for the majority of their sentences. We're no longer allowed to injure the feelings of foolish people who are literally too stupid to be making these decisions. We can't even properly admonish a child and correct their behavior before they become a bigger menace to society.

Focusing on gun laws is like focusing on what's wrong with poop and trying to change it, instead of focusing on what you eat in order to change it before it comes out the other end.

 

[D. Hargrove]

Focusing on gun laws is like focusing on what's wrong with poop and trying to change it, instead of focusing on what you eat in order to change it before it comes out the other end.

Well, that broke it down to the lowest common denominator...

 

[Chuckie]

As someone pointed out most of these things are legal already. So yes we should be able to own them. So your argument is moot. We are America. This is part of us. And I never said anything about not having laws. Of course we need laws. I’m talking about gun restrictions. They are pointless. It’s just like banning felons form possessing guns. It doesn’t stop them from getting them. And it never will. If they want a gun they’re gonna get one. Just like if a nut wants to kill someone they are gonna do it. Whether by shooting someone, stabbing them, blowing them up, running over them in a bus. The list can go on and on. These bumpfire stocks are everywhere. No way the government can track them. So even if they put them on the NFA list it doesn’t matter. It’s just something for the politicians to pat themselves on the back for.

I'm not permitted for Class III weapons therefore I do not know all the ins 'n outs involved but as I understand it individuals with Class III weapons have to follow fairly strict regulations concerning weapon storage, security, and transport. Am I right? So how common is it for a responsible owner of Class III weapons to lose those weapons through theft or robbery? I suspect that it does not happen very often (if at all).
What if [what are now considered Class III weapons] were available to anyone eligible to possess standard weapons? The point I'm trying to make is that considering the number of non-Class III weapons stolen and misused by the masses, there is a good reason for some gun restriction to be in place. I certainly wouldn't want 'Sweet William' down in the hood, having a .50 cal HBMG settin' atop his Escalade

 

[Shadowrider]

Define society? Are we going to make an app and everyone gets a vote? Approximately 1/2 half of society thanks there should be not guns at all ? Maybe in the perfect conservative Utopia society can decide .....but in reality society today would be split down the middle saying the reformed person should have never owned a gun in the first place....so how does this undefined society decide and what are the rules?

I am not disagreeing with your concept here only pointing out the fact that simply saying society decides really isn’t that simple.

Go back and read post #104

 

[emapples]

That's really the problem. It isn't what is or isn't illegal. It's that society has been brought to heel. We're no longer allowed to put inmates on chain gangs and make them break rocks. We're no longer allowed to keep them in prison for the majority of their sentences. We're no longer allowed to injure the feelings of foolish people who are literally too stupid to be making these decisions. We can't even properly admonish a child and correct their behavior before they become a bigger menace to society.

Focusing on gun laws is like focusing on what's wrong with poop and trying to change it, instead of focusing on what you eat in order to change it before it comes out the other end.

All of which I agree with, we don’t even train our military the same way we sued to because it’s too cruel, but why is it that way today? Is it because of the media , globalization, or did we all sit quietly and let it happen or is it a combination of all of these? I was just wanting to point out in this modern society it can’t be simplified anymore.

Lol Ted K may have been smarter then we all thought and it’s sad he resorted to violence but his manifesto was interesting, I read it after watching that Manhunt: Unabomber show on Discovery.

 

[Fredkrueger100]

So the Dallas cop shooter was just exercising his rights to attack and fight what he saw as an oppressive and unfair local government then? And you are ok with it ?

You sound like all the liberal idiot democrats with this kind of talk. You can’t come up with anything rational so you start spewing ignorance. The Dallas cop shooter broke the law multiple times. He was murdering innocent people. That’s not excercising a right. Of course none of us are ok with what he did. And no one said we were. And as for violent felons not being allowed guns; I have said multiple times that criminals don’t follow laws. So you can have a law telling a felon they can’t have a gun all you want and It don’t mean squat. If they want a gun they will get one. And the last time I checked the 2A is for everyone. Not just certain Americans. Like it or not. It’s like our government saying that felons are forbidden from talking. Since they are felons they don’t have their 1A right anymore.

 

[Glocktogo]

I'm not permitted for Class III weapons therefore I do not know all the ins 'n outs involved but as I understand it individuals with Class III weapons have to follow fairly strict regulations concerning weapon storage, security, and transport. Am I right? So how common is it for a responsible owner of Class III weapons to lose those weapons through theft or robbery? I suspect that it does not happen very often (if at all).
What if [what are now considered Class III weapons] were available to anyone eligible to possess standard weapons? The point I'm trying to make is that considering the number of non-Class III weapons stolen and misused by the masses, there is a good reason for some gun restriction to be in place. I certainly wouldn't want 'Sweet William' down in the hood, having a .50 cal HBMG settin' atop his Escalade

No, you're mostly wrong. The closest you are to right is you must file a 5320.20 before transporting a machinegun across state lines. None of the other items on your list are regulated. BTW, it's not a permit. It's a tax stamp you purchase. It never expires and requires no renewal.

 

[emapples]

Go back and read post #104

That statement is false , it says keep and bear shall not be infringed ......it doesn’t mention only bear arms on your property, it doesn’t say bear them anywhere but in public, if we take it literally ther should be no infringement on bearing your arms while bellies up to the he bar

 

[Chuckie]

Society decides.



Agreed. Not those on probation, but once your debt to society has been fully repaid, all your constitutional rights should be restored. Perhaps then we'd find the money to stop releasing violent criminals well before they should be released?



Why did privateers need armed warships in colonial times? They were utilized to overthrow an unjust and repressive government. I'm sorry you don't like this fact, but the 2nd Amendment isn't about hunting, self-protection, or competitive shooting. It's about retaining the right to overthrow an imperious regime. At least now we know you don't value the 2nd Amendment appropriately, so we can dismiss your arguments. In order to debate the subject appropriately, you have to retain focus on exactly why the COTUS and BoR reads as it does. You, don't.

I'm not living back in Colonial times and I'm not so paranoid to think that we ARE going to have to physically defend ourselves from or overthrow our government, and therefore, must have the latest in modern weaponry stored under our individual roofs at all times.

Oh and BTW, just because I'm not in lockstep with your attitude about our 2nd Amendment Rights, does not mean that I don't support them to one extent or another.

 

[Glocktogo]

I'm not living back in Colonial times and I'm not so paranoid to think that we ARE going to have to physically defend ourselves from or overthrow our government, and therefore, must have the latest in modern weaponry stored under our individual roofs at all times.

Oh and BTW, just because I'm not in lockstep with your attitude about our 2nd Amendment Rights, does not mean that I don't support them to one extent or another.

Well it's obvious you don't understand the 2nd Amendment (or the NFA, or FOPA, or...), so it's difficult to take you serious when you're posts are based on erroneous beliefs and emotions.