Bumpfire Stock Ban

[Glocktogo]

And who makes that decision that they are full reformed and now capable, that’s always been the sticking point who makes those decisions.

Society decides.

An in fairness the consititution said shall not be infringed so take literally even ex cons should be able to own a gun

Agreed. Not those on probation, but once your debt to society has been fully repaid, all your constitutional rights should be restored. Perhaps then we'd find the money to stop releasing violent criminals well before they should be released?

That is the problem in that sometimes by the time it is proven that one is incapable of handling weapons responsibly (if proven at all), those weapons have already been used to kill or wound others.

In an ideal society "we should [be able to] err on the side of freedom and self determination" as you advocate, but we don't live in an ideal society and that has been proven time and time again.

Should we restrict or ban all weapons? Of course not! But some weapons that are not appropriate to hunting, self-protection, or competitive shooting should, perhaps, be restricted on the open market. I mean hey, besides EGO or bragging rights, why would someone need a howitzer or an armed jet fighter?

Why did privateers need armed warships in colonial times? They were utilized to overthrow an unjust and repressive government. I'm sorry you don't like this fact, but the 2nd Amendment isn't about hunting, self-protection, or competitive shooting. It's about retaining the right to overthrow an imperious regime. At least now we know you don't value the 2nd Amendment appropriately, so we can dismiss your arguments. In order to debate the subject appropriately, you have to retain focus on exactly why the COTUS and BoR reads as it does. You, don't.

 

[Shadowrider]

Well the point I was trying to make is why is this “common sense” gun law that violent ex cons can’t own firearms accepted by most of us but the “common sense” law that not everyone should have access to full autos and RPG’s is not accepted? They are both uncsonstitutional

I agree!

The whole logic chain is "well times are different now". My response is that the 2A isn't different. It's never been altered, changed or rescinded and the founders intent is as clear and as valid as it ever was. If they want to change it, go for it, but until you do tough titty.

 

[caojyn]

Society decides.



Agreed. Not those on probation, but once your debt to society has been fully repaid, all your constitutional rights should be restored. Perhaps then we'd find the money to stop releasing violent criminals well before they should be released?



Why did privateers need armed warships in colonial times? They were utilized to overthrow an unjust and repressive government. I'm sorry you don't like this fact, but the 2nd Amendment isn't about hunting, self-protection, or competitive shooting. It's about retaining the right to overthrow an imperious regime. At least now we know you don't value the 2nd Amendment appropriately, so we can dismiss your arguments. In order to debate the subject appropriately, you have to retain focus on exactly why the COTUS and BoR reads as it does. You, don't.

Man, we don't agree often, but this time you're dead on

 

[Pokinfun]

That is the problem in that sometimes by the time it is proven that one is incapable of handling weapons responsibly (if proven at all), those weapons have already been used to kill or wound others.

In an ideal society "we should [be able to] err on the side of freedom and self determination" as you advocate, but we don't live in an ideal society and that has been proven time and time again.

Should we restrict or ban all weapons? Of course not! But some weapons that are not appropriate to hunting, self-protection, or competitive shooting should, perhaps, be restricted on the open market. I mean hey, besides EGO or bragging rights, why would someone need a howitzer or an armed jet fighter?

the Second Amendment does not protect your hunting rifle.

 

[emapples]

Society decides.

Define society? Are we going to make an app and everyone gets a vote? Approximately 1/2 half of society thanks there should be not guns at all ? Maybe in the perfect conservative Utopia society can decide .....but in reality society today would be split down the middle saying the reformed person should have never owned a gun in the first place....so how does this undefined society decide and what are the rules?

I am not disagreeing with your concept here only pointing out the fact that simply saying society decides really isn’t that simple.

 

[rlongnt]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...new-regulations-after-las-vegas-shooting.html

Well now there's this..

"The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations,” the NRA said in a written statement.

 

[caojyn]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...new-regulations-after-las-vegas-shooting.html

Well now there's this..

"The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations,” the NRA said in a written statement.

Not surprised

 

[Shootin 4 Fun]

Answer the question pumpkin do you think all of those items should be legalize for everyone...... nice try at avoiding the questions ........ maybe you should log into your other accounts and post some stuff........how bou dah pumpkin .....

Actually. Yes. The intent of the 2A is to arm the citizenry to battle the government.

 

[emapples]

Actually. Yes. The intent of the 2A is to arm the citizenry to battle the government.

So you agree violent felons should also be able to own weapons as soon as they exit prison, or in prison for that matter hell it does say shall not be infringed after all

 

[emapples]

Actually. Yes. The intent of the 2A is to arm the citizenry to battle the government.

So the Dallas cop shooter was just exercising his rights to attack and fight what he saw as an oppressive and unfair local government then? And you are ok with it ?