Info on the big churches in OKC area?

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There is some truth to this. There are many leading their sheep astray so as not to run anyone off in an attempt to pay cash for their next campus.

I wouldn’t really call it condemning but the church has gotten way to loose with the Bible and God’s Word and that needs to be called out when seen.
 

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I've sure heard a lot of condemning on this thread and before I condemn a church, pastor, or church member I would do some serious praying about it to make sure that's what God wants.
I haven’t condemned anyone. All I’ve done is call out Craig Groeschel and life church. He is no different than Joel Osteen. Both do their best to make people feel good and that’s why their congregations are so large. It’s not because they preach the truth. Look, I don’t care where someone goes as long as the place is doing what scripture says. Sadly many don’t. I have family that are baptist, catholic, and Pentecostal. And I have spoken to many people that believe differently than me. My aim to is share the truth with people. I know sometimes I probably do get carried away and say things I shouldn’t. But I repent everyday for my sins. Usually multiple times. I look at scripture the same as I do the constitution. It isn’t up for interpretation. It means what it says. One doesn’t have to be a scholar or a preacher to know and understand the word of God.
 

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And, the jailer and his family were baptized.
It was in the middle of the night as well. If baptism wasn’t essential for salvation then why would the jailer make sure and do it as soon as possible? I know you know the answer so this is for others. When Jesus was baptized of course it wasn’t for forgiveness but it was required to fulfill all righteousness. And as soon as Jesus came up out of the water Heaven was tore open and the Spirit descended upon Jesus.

When the Ethiopian Eunuch was baptized as soon as he came up out of the water Philip was immediately transported to another place. Why? Because once the Eunuch was baptized he had been given the Holy Spirit so Phillips work was finished. It really is sad how many folks ignore what scripture clearly says.
 

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There is a fine line. Unfortunately many have played it safe and veered to the side which more closely mirrors the world and it’s view points.

When you have Pastors who don’t speak the truth about a subject out of fear of offending someone its a problem. Homosexuality is one area. There is a way to be truthful about the scriptures and the abomination the act is, while still being compassionate to the person you wish to save and invite into the Kingdom. Sadly, many do not even try and are merely apathetic to it.

Then you have Pastors as of late jumping on the SJW/BLM bandwagon. It just proves it is a numbers game to them.

Remember, yes Jesus was loving and tender but He was also a man who would stand for truth and would take action such as overturning the tables at the Temple. Jesus was a warrior and sometimes that requires not being “tender Jesus meek and mild” like so many in society want to portray Him.
 

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What sorrow for those who say that evil is good and good is evil, that dark is light and light is dark, that bitter is sweet and sweet is bitter. What sorrow for those who are wise in their own eyes and think themselves so clever.

There is a very dangerous liberality that has crept into the Christian Church. Not only does it candy coat evil, but it also makes the evil poison seem almost right. This is what Charles Spurgeon warned us of: “Discernment is not simply a matter of telling the difference between what is right and wrong; rather it is the difference between right and almost right.”

This is the problem with so many big name, so called ‘Christian Pastors’. It seems that the modern Christian Church is infatuated with numbers. “How can someone with so many followers and so many book sales be wrong?” It’s because of ‘itchy ears’, especially in these end times that Scriptures warn us of.

Take a look on the horizon. Persecution is just around the corner for those who hold onto what the Bible truly teaches. Those with twisted liberal views will be pointing the finger at those who stand true with what the Word of God rightfully says and they will declare us ‘intolerant’. At that point we will become a threat to society and labelled ‘terrorists’.

One prominent pastor presents the view that when Paul denounced homosexuality in Romans 1, he was referring only to those who were established heterosexuals that would turn to homosexuality rather than established homosexuals. This makes it OK for Gays to continue with their lifestyle. This pastor forgets that Jesus Himself (Matthew 19:4-6) continued to cement the command found in Genesis that only a man and a woman are to be joined together sexually and that is only after marriage.
 

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Even the small churches tolerate divorce.
If they didn’t they’d lose half their customers.
By not tolerating homosexuality, they only lose about 3% of their customers.
It’s a business model.
 

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It was in the middle of the night as well. If baptism wasn’t essential for salvation then why would the jailer make sure and do it as soon as possible?

To express his faith to others . . . . that's it.

I've never understood the CofC fascination with limiting how God saves folks . . . and how we worship Him.
 

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To express his faith to others . . . . that's it.

I've never understood the CofC fascination with limiting how God saves folks . . . and how we worship Him.

Then read Matthew 28. Why did Jesus himself tell the apostle to "make disciples of the nations and baptize?"

Verses 19 and following:

19 Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit: 20 teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.
 

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https://annointing.wordpress.com/2013/05/06/bad-will-be-good-and-good-will-be-bad/

What sorrow for those who say that evil is good and good is evil, that dark is light and light is dark, that bitter is sweet and sweet is bitter. What sorrow for those who are wise in their own eyes and think themselves so clever.

There is a very dangerous liberality that has crept into the Christian Church. Not only does it candy coat evil, but it also makes the evil poison seem almost right. This is what Charles Spurgeon warned us of: “Discernment is not simply a matter of telling the difference between what is right and wrong; rather it is the difference between right and almost right.”

This is the problem with so many big name, so called ‘Christian Pastors’. It seems that the modern Christian Church is infatuated with numbers. “How can someone with so many followers and so many book sales be wrong?” It’s because of ‘itchy ears’, especially in these end times that Scriptures warn us of.

Take a look on the horizon. Persecution is just around the corner for those who hold onto what the Bible truly teaches. Those with twisted liberal views will be pointing the finger at those who stand true with what the Word of God rightfully says and they will declare us ‘intolerant’. At that point we will become a threat to society and labelled ‘terrorists’.

One prominent pastor presents the view that when Paul denounced homosexuality in Romans 1, he was referring only to those who were established heterosexuals that would turn to homosexuality rather than established homosexuals. This makes it OK for Gays to continue with their lifestyle. This pastor forgets that Jesus Himself (Matthew 19:4-6) continued to cement the command found in Genesis that only a man and a woman are to be joined together sexually and that is only after marriage.

A number of years ago, I was having an online discussion at a blog about religious things. I spoke of Church of Christ "followers" that believed in taking the Bible at its word. This person I was discussing with then accused me of being a "fundamentalist Christian" in an attempt to paint me as like a "fundamentalist Muslim."

It's not really persecution in my mind, but it seems it was a start.
 

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