Germany to restart coal plants, LOL

[sherrick13]

I've said it many times.

Environmentalism is a luxury and more importantly a political tool. Not a necessity.

Stupid ****ers. I was kind of hoping they would have stuck to their guns and let the people get cold. Obviously getting reelected is more important than the environment to German politicans.

Germany to fire up coal plants as Russia turns down the gas | DW | 19.06.2022

"To reduce gas consumption, less gas must be used to generate electricity. Coal-fired power plants will have to be used more instead," the Economy Ministry said in a statement.
Habeck also said that more gas had to be pumped into storage facilities.
"Otherwise, it will be really tight in winter," he said.
Currently gas storage facilities in Germany are around 57% full.
Habeck lamented the necessity to use coal more to produce electricity, but described the current situation as serious.

 

[OKCHunter]

LOL - they should be restarting their nuclear plants as well.

 

[Seadog]

LOL - they should be restarting their nuclear plants as well.

I was going to say the same thing. When I was a kid in the early 80s over there I thought that the nuclear power plants were cloud machines. It looked like they were always spewing out clouds. That would be the answer to a lot of our energy problems if we had more of those

 

[Snattlerake]

I was going to say the same thing. When I was a kid in the early 80s over there I thought that the nuclear power plants were cloud machines. It looked like they were always spewing out clouds. That would be the answer to a lot of our energy problems if we had more of those

Nuclear waste is then the problem. We have spacecraft that have left our solar system, why not dispose of the waste by firing the cargo into the sun? You think a piddly amount of radioactive waste would have any consequences? Nope. The sun would eat it thousands of miles, perhaps millions of miles before hitting it.

 

[dennishoddy]

I was going to say the same thing. When I was a kid in the early 80s over there I thought that the nuclear power plants were cloud machines. It looked like they were always spewing out clouds. That would be the answer to a lot of our energy problems if we had more of those

Those cloud generators were hyperbolic water coolers. Some are natural draft and some are forced draft. It's just water vapor that carries zero pollution as I'm sure you already know.
I hate it when the liberal media show clouds of steam and call it pollution coming from smoke stacks.
It's not smoke, its pure water.
Has there been pollution, yes, when there has been a malfunction of the system and it is quickly shut down until corrected.
Those not in the power industry would be surprised at how tightly stack pollution is monitored according to the EPA. I was part of that team with OG&E. If any cheating is caught, two people go to jail. First is the tech that cheated and second is the plant manager.
When getting through the training, we had a mandatory meeting with the plant manager saying he was not going to jail and we had better not put him in that position.
Glad to see Europe putting the coal plants back into operation. Most were mothballed in the interest of wind and solar programs that are failing now. Texas is fighting some of the same issues going too deep into renewables and mothballing coal plants vs bringing them up to EPA standards like the Okla Corporation Commission has done in allowing OG&E to upgrade their coal burners into clean coal technology. It's called base load. Wind and solar cannot meet base load.
Base load is defined as the amount of power to maintain adequate reserves to cover plant outages up to catastrophic incidences like huge ice storms that bring down power lines.
Renewables cannot currently do this. Tx failed and Commifornika failed. All are facing rolling blackouts.
Europe failed as well.
We are a hundred years away from any sort of total renewable energy as there is currently no storage system in place to store energy to supply the grid when there is no wind and the sun isn't shining but the green politicians that want to fund their $$ donors are trying to repay them.

 

[dennishoddy]

Nuclear waste is then the problem. We have spacecraft that have left our solar system, why not dispose of the waste by firing the cargo into the sun? You think a piddly amount of radioactive waste would have any consequences? Nope. The sun would eat it thousands of miles, perhaps millions of miles before hitting it.

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Nuke waste is certainly a problem, but would the cost of slingshotting waste cargo carrying spacecraft be feasible?

 

[OKCHunter]

Nuclear waste is then the problem. We have spacecraft that have left our solar system, why not dispose of the waste by firing the cargo into the sun? You think a piddly amount of radioactive waste would have any consequences? Nope. The sun would eat it thousands of miles, perhaps millions of miles before hitting it.

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European’s reprocess their spent nuclear fuel. You can thank Jimmy Carter (the 2nd worst President now that Biden is in office) for our policy against reprocessing spent nuclear fuel. Oh, and thank Harry Reid for shutdown of Yucca Mountain for long-term disposal of spent nuclear fuel.

 

[Seadog]

Nuclear waste is then the problem. We have spacecraft that have left our solar system, why not dispose of the waste by firing the cargo into the sun? You think a piddly amount of radioactive waste would have any consequences? Nope. The sun would eat it thousands of miles, perhaps millions of miles before hitting it.

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It doesn’t produce as much waste as you think. There was n interesting article that I read that was talking about ways that they have found on using it now. So that is a plus. But as a last resort I guess you could send it to the sun to burn up.

 

[Gideon]

I utilize Paul Wheaton's Eco Scale to measure environmentalists.

The people who actually care about nature will actually advocate taking steps that work and which they've considered in totality, rather than performative crap.

"Look! I'm eco-friendly! I bought solar panels made of strip mined minerals and shipped across the ocean from polluting Chinese factories!"

Hard for me to listen to eco-people who are opposed to nuclear power.

 

[cowadle]

Those cloud generators were hyperbolic water coolers. Some are natural draft and some are forced draft. It's just water vapor that carries zero pollution as I'm sure you already know.
I hate it when the liberal media show clouds of steam and call it pollution coming from smoke stacks.
It's not smoke, its pure water.
Has there been pollution, yes, when there has been a malfunction of the system and it is quickly shut down until corrected.
Those not in the power industry would be surprised at how tightly stack pollution is monitored according to the EPA. I was part of that team with OG&E. If any cheating is caught, two people go to jail. First is the tech that cheated and second is the plant manager.
When getting through the training, we had a mandatory meeting with the plant manager saying he was not going to jail and we had better not put him in that position.
Glad to see Europe putting the coal plants back into operation. Most were mothballed in the interest of wind and solar programs that are failing now. Texas is fighting some of the same issues going too deep into renewables and mothballing coal plants vs bringing them up to EPA standards like the Okla Corporation Commission has done in allowing OG&E to upgrade their coal burners into clean coal technology. It's called base load. Wind and solar cannot meet base load.
Base load is defined as the amount of power to maintain adequate reserves to cover plant outages up to catastrophic incidences like huge ice storms that bring down power lines.
Renewables cannot currently do this. Tx failed and Commifornika failed. All are facing rolling blackouts.
Europe failed as well.
We are a hundred years away from any sort of total renewable energy as there is currently no storage system in place to store energy to supply the grid when there is no wind and the sun isn't shining but the green politicians that want to fund their $$ donors are trying to repay them.

it has been manymany years ago i attended the oklahoma symposium on wind power. i was fortunate enough to be coupled with an engineer from con ed in new york . in our discussions he was in the same camp as you and was of the opinion even then that the giant wind farms were not really feasible because or ramp up and down problems in the wind. he said at the time the science supported a theory that every land owner could have a small turbine that would grid tie. the small turbine would provide most of the electricity for that customer and the rest could be sold back to the power company. his explanation was that thousands of smaller turbines spread across the country would run at a more constant than the large farms would and if one dropped out or slowed down the effect would be insignificant. but guess what. they opted for the big corporate subsidized tax harvester instead of common sense.