2022 Health insurance vent

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There has to be a better way for sure, it's just fully trusting the government with our healthcare ain't it. THEY are the ones that screwed it up.

The Swedish example is a retarded comparison because we don't compare with Sweeden considering all sorts of metrics.

I dont think its a retarded comparison at all, so who would you compare it to?

I think everyone agrees we have a messed up health care system.

Want to fix it, turn it all off, start over again, but with what do we start it over with?
 

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I Skyped with my Swedish buddy today and over some beers he gave me more detail on their tax. ONLY 5% pays for universal healthcare.

1. They have a capital gains tax of zero. Yes zero.
2. Corporate tax rate is 1.5%. Write offs are very limited.
3. Workers up to $100k pay 8.1% income tax, flat. It goes into the general fund. It goes up from there.
4. Employers pay 31.9% tax on salaries. 5% healthcare, 10% pension of which the employee controls 2.5%, the other 16% pays for the college, subsidized energy and internet, high speed rail, yada yada yada.
5. They have a VAT tax and VERY high gasoline taxes.

Now my buddy knows that Swedes make less because of the high taxation on salaries, thats why he says he’s taxed at 40%. Danes, Finns, and others make more but pay their own health costs and have more college loans.

He said that the horror stories about long queues for care, etc are anomalies. His mom got cancer 3 years ago and had surgery within 10 days of diagnosis and chemo for 8 months. She made a full recovery and paid a total of $120, $60 for each calendar year treatment took place in.

To me, these are interesting things to think about. And no they are not commies, they have free and fair elections with not only photo ID REQUIRED but also thumbprints. No mail in nonsense either. You can get your ballot by mail but if you do you have to take it to the courthouse to turn it in where you are thumb printed and ID checked.

We both agree that the population size of the USA would be the biggest obstacle to single payer here, but we also have the largest economy in the world per capita so the money is there to do it right.

Oh so European like EVERYONE gets 6 weeks PAID vacation a year by law and they are guaranteed to take 30 days a year in one block if they please, by law.

No I don’t want to move there it’s just a conversation.

Population size and overall health. Sweden doesn't have near the diet related problems the United States has, and diet related disease is estimated to account for 80% of the overall healthcare cost in the US. Couple that with the leaky border, which causes our ERs to be turned into primary care for the "uninsured."

One wonders how much more leaky that border would get if they knew they got free healthcare too.
 
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I dont think its a retarded comparison at all, so who would you compare it to?

I think everyone agrees we have a messed up health care system.

Want to fix it, turn it all off, start over again, but with what do we start it over with?

Our demographics don't compare to Sweeden, obesity, diabetes, heart disease, etc...... there is no other country like us in that terms. So yes it's a retarded comparison because of our size and unhealthy population. People need to think outside the box and not just consider the structure of the healthcare system. It's got to be able to handle the population and what it entails.
 

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Look at the obesity rates by country, the United States is right up there at the top and no other country has anything close to the same population. Sweden is down below with a SIGNIFICANTLY lower rate and is the size of Houston Texas.
 

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Sweden's Taxes - The Hidden Costs of The Welfare State


Sweden is a nation with extraordinary high tax rates. The average worker not only pays 30 percent of her or his income in visible taxes, but, additionally, close to 30 percent in hidden taxes. The defenders of the punishing tax burden argue that it is needed to maintain Sweden’s generous welfare system. While this claim may seem reasonable on its surface, a deeper look suggests that it is based on flawed analysis.

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Our demographics don't compare to Sweeden, obesity, diabetes, heart disease, etc...... there is no other country like us in that terms. So yes it's a retarded comparison because of our size and unhealthy population. People need to think outside the box and not just consider the structure of the healthcare system. It's got to be able to handle the population and what it entails.

OK then whats your solution?

How would you fix the problem of health care coverage in this country?
 

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Anyone want to see welfare at work, and wasted tax dollars just head to wal mart, look at the pajama wearing scooter riding ebt card waving herd that migrates thru.

Get offended or not, its the hard truth we need to face.

Johnson war on poverty that started over 50 years ago has done nothing but breed reliance upon the government.

Health care took a huge nose dive in a already downward spin when obama care came about.

So lets hear the solutions.
 

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OK then whats your solution?

How would you fix the problem of health care coverage in this country?

Get the government out of it as much as possible, employ transparent model with regards to pricing, let the free market work, and the population is going to have to understand there's an amount of personal responsibility with regards to preventable disease.
 
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