I would go sit at the station during their patrol switch and wait on the officer, then inform him it is his job to find the fugitive not yours, or maybe he is a new recruit from the Canto, OH office.
This thread is like the old Spy vs. Spy cartoons only it's Stupid vs. Stupid.
This did make me LAWL though.
This did make me LAWL though.
Also, there is not a District Attorney in the world that would follow through on a Haboring arrest under these circumstances and for this petty of a "fugitive".
The OP, however would still have a felony arrest on his record and be faced with legal fees, bail, etc...
I want to believe that the officer was just pi$$ed and wanted to show how big he was, but a threat of felony arrest is nothing to joke about or brush off and should be taken seriously.
The OP, however would still have a felony arrest on his record and be faced with legal fees, bail, etc...
I want to believe that the officer was just pi$$ed and wanted to show how big he was, but a threat of felony arrest is nothing to joke about or brush off and should be taken seriously.
From what I've seen LEO praise happens more often on this board than LEO criticism, by a factor of about 10 to 1.
Personally, just my opinion, but I think if it was me I'd contact the officer and try to talk things out one on one before I filed a complaint. If, after cutting him that slack, things didn't get worked out, then maybe I'd file the complaint. It would take a lot more than what's been stated so far for me to put any working man's job in jeopardy in this economic climate.
The 4th and 6th Ammendments would disagree with you here.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
I'll share some personal experiences I've had with cops, both good and bad.
The bad: A jerk with a badge in Harrah, where I grew up. He was a total a-hole to everybody, especially teenagers. Had nothing major with this guy, but every time you saw him he was a complete penis. I think it was a reflection of him as a person rather than him as a professional, though.
The worst: I got pulled over for speeding on I-44 by the Cowboy Hall of Fame when I was 18 or 19. It was a legit pull over, I was speeding (appx 10 over), but the OKC PD officer was way out of line. He had an attitude as soon as he came up to my truck. I handed him my license and insurance and he asked me a typical question to ask when being pulled over, but as soon as I started answering he yelled "shut the f*** up or I'm going to beat your ass up and down this highway, you sit there and remain quiet!". He then asked me another question and I looked at him with a look on my face saying "do I answer you and risk you being a complete prick or do I obey your commands to keep quiet?" and he immediately yelled "Are we going to have a problem here?!". It was odd, because as soon as I said "No sir" he went back, wrote the ticket, gave me my stuff back and we were off. I have no idea why he flipped out like he did. Both of my parents are LEO, I know how to speak to them, I was respectful (despite disrespecting the law by speeding), but I did absolutely nothing to be threatened to shut up or get my ass kicked. I shared the story with my parents who helped me file a complaint with the PD, but I'm not sure what happened with it. If I remember right, that ticket was dismissed, but I can't remember for sure.
The good: The same truck I was pulled over in from the story above was stolen from my dad's apartment parking lot. It was recovered 3 days later in Okemah. I was driving back home to my mom's house, taking 23rd street from Harrah to OKC. I can't remember if it was Choctaw or Nicoma Park, but I pass by a cop and I see him whip a u-turn and come up behind me. 30-60 seconds later he not only flips on his lights, but also his sirens. I pull over into a gas station and he blocks me into the spot I'm in. I hear him yelling for me to stick my hands out of the window, to use one hand to turn off the car and drop my keys out of the window. His spot lights were on so I'm not sure if he had his gun drawn or not, I couldn't see a damn thing. I do so and he then tells me to get out and slowly back towards him with my hands on my head. I do, and I'm assuming he's going to cuff me, but before I reach him he asks who the truck belongs to, I tell him it's mine and that it was stolen a few days before and I just got it back from Okemah a couple of hours ago. He asks me to reach into my back pocket and pull out my id, I do, he relaxes and I breathe a sigh of relief. He said he saw me drive by and thought "there's that son of a b*tch in that stolen truck from Harrah!" and sure enough, when he runs the tag it's still showing as stolen. We have a laugh, talk a bit, I shake his hand and we're off.
The best: Funny story. I was driving down 23rd towards my mom's house again, this time in the Spencer area. Traffic is busier than I'd prefer to drive in, so I decide to try to get in the right lane and shift over to 36th street. I see an opening in front of me, but I'm getting close to the intersection, so I speed up and squeeze my Honda CRX in between a Ford Expedition and a current model black Chevy Malibu. Well, not even 2 seconds after that awesome maneuver the black Malibu lights up and blurps his siren. I pull over and he asks for license and insurance, I abide and instead of talking to me like a LEO to a citizen who broke the law, he speaks to me person-to-person. He says with a very slight chuckle in his voice, "look, I don't care if you speed a little over the speed limit, but don't blow my doors off by passing me to cut me off to tailgate the car in front of me, ok?" and I apologize and he hands me back my stuff and lets me go. Not even a week later I'm driving on Sooner Rd between 23rd and 10th street, which is typically empty-ish so I'm going probably 10-15 mph over the speed limit. A black Malibu in the opposite lane drives by, stops, u-turns, lights up and comes up on my tail. I pull over and I hear a jokingly "You just don't learn, do you?" and sure enough it's the same guy that got me not even a week prior. He taps my door and says "you really need to slow it down a bit, alright?" and without checking my license and insurance he tells me to be on my way and that's that.
From the age of 17-23, I was constantly getting pulled over for speeding. Always getting clocked at 10-13 mph over, always getting written up for 1-10 over, so nothing ever went on my record, but I could pin up a funky mural on my wall out of the tickets I received during those few years. It was sometimes once a month. 99% of the time those encounters have been the standard, by the book traffic stop handled by the officer in a professional manner.
Every group has it's a-holes. The problem for LEO's is the relativity factor. If the shift manager at Taco Bell goes on a power trip, Angelo has to clean the deep fryer and Katy get's to "count money" in the back office. If the IT guy at your office goes on a power trip, you can't get to last weeks TPS reports and your favorite website. If an LEO goes on a power trip, you end up in jail and have to pay fees and fines. This is why it is more prominent in the few unfortunate cases where it happens.
My old boss is a deputy for OK County. He taught me there is a trick to not getting complaints filed against you for traffic stops. You have a choice. You can either be a jerk verbally and give them a warning, or you can be polite, professional and write them a ticket. Every time I hear about a cop trying to do both, I have to chuckle.
Yukonjack, I still love you.
Well I did not mean to start a cop bashing thread even though that is obviously where my comments would take us. I have two friends who are cops and they are great human beings. When I said I don't like most cops I've met I was being honest but I wasn't stereotyping the whole profession. I am always respectful to LEO and give them the benefit of the doubt until they give me a reason not to. Even when they are a-holes, I have never cursed at LEO, given them the bird or done anything else whatsoever to be disrespectful. Although a few individuals have left a bad image in my mind, I still respect the profession and what they go through on a daily basis.
I spoke to the guy's supervisor today who admitted the officer could have handled it better and said he would have a talk with him. I'm satisfied with that. After I hung up, a couple of my employees came in and elaborated further. They said the officer was red faced, his voice was really elevated and most of our 70+ customers in the dining room were just sitting there wide eyed watching the whole thing go down until my manager went outside with the officer. I don't care about this guy getting a mark in his file, a suspension or even fired. I just want him to admit he did wrong, maybe even apologize and hopefully learn something from his mistake. It is hard for me to believe this would not create some negative connotation with customers about what is going on at my restaurant. I feel his actions were a personal attack on my livelihood.
The fact of the matter is, I went into this situation with every intent of cooperating with the officer. Now I will be much less inclined to do so should I have the opportunity in the future. I had a similar situation like this in the past where an officer needed to arrest an employee. I gave him the employee's schedule and just asked that he be discreet and avoid coming in between 11:30 and 1:30. I told him I would call the employee to the back for a conference where they would be waiting for him and escort him out the back door. He agreed. Of course he showed up at 12:30, cuffed the guy in the dining room and acted like a total douche to me when I asked why he did not honor his word. Now that I have had two similar experiences, I am totally done volunteering any information or cooperation in the future.
If I ever here of a cop "helping" someone, I will post it on here asap. I'm sure it happens. I am just not aware of it. I've seen OHP helping those in need many times and I greatly appreciate it. If ever I have the chance to help one of them, I'll be all over it. As for City cops, I know there are a lot of good ones out there. I hope I get a chance to meet more of them in the future. In the meantime, I hope they'll try to clean house of their colleagues that give them all a bad name.
I spoke to the guy's supervisor today who admitted the officer could have handled it better and said he would have a talk with him. I'm satisfied with that. After I hung up, a couple of my employees came in and elaborated further. They said the officer was red faced, his voice was really elevated and most of our 70+ customers in the dining room were just sitting there wide eyed watching the whole thing go down until my manager went outside with the officer. I don't care about this guy getting a mark in his file, a suspension or even fired. I just want him to admit he did wrong, maybe even apologize and hopefully learn something from his mistake. It is hard for me to believe this would not create some negative connotation with customers about what is going on at my restaurant. I feel his actions were a personal attack on my livelihood.
The fact of the matter is, I went into this situation with every intent of cooperating with the officer. Now I will be much less inclined to do so should I have the opportunity in the future. I had a similar situation like this in the past where an officer needed to arrest an employee. I gave him the employee's schedule and just asked that he be discreet and avoid coming in between 11:30 and 1:30. I told him I would call the employee to the back for a conference where they would be waiting for him and escort him out the back door. He agreed. Of course he showed up at 12:30, cuffed the guy in the dining room and acted like a total douche to me when I asked why he did not honor his word. Now that I have had two similar experiences, I am totally done volunteering any information or cooperation in the future.
If I ever here of a cop "helping" someone, I will post it on here asap. I'm sure it happens. I am just not aware of it. I've seen OHP helping those in need many times and I greatly appreciate it. If ever I have the chance to help one of them, I'll be all over it. As for City cops, I know there are a lot of good ones out there. I hope I get a chance to meet more of them in the future. In the meantime, I hope they'll try to clean house of their colleagues that give them all a bad name.
