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El Pablo

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Self Ivermectin therapy with animal meds, drink your own pee, and vitamins, are all you need for the fake pandemic. Vents are a death sentence. The earth is flat. Vaccines bad. Han Solo shot first. Med professionals are lying to get extra Covid money, and to pleasure themselves on patients that are asleep or unconscious.

Argue away ;) Think I threw enough lobs.

(I only believe one of the things, Han shot first)
 

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Lol, I meant where I want gov controlled health care. But I want remotely clear about that.

These links are probably more useful. Thank you.

If you REALLY want to learn, then understand the healthcare industry is just a subset of economics.

Read this book and apply the lessons. All the same laws apply.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00L4FSSTA/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i0


government in incapable of solving economic issues, all they can do is get out of the way
 

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You seriously don't understand how the logistics of running healthcare to the public is different than military service? I mean if you want to get into the minutia start a thread. However, let me ask you this..... where does a significant portion of the innovation come from with regards to military technology? Where does the government turn to with regards to production capacity starting with WWII. I can go on?

I'll play your own logic against you.....

Show where socialism always works. Which do you believe has a better outcome generally? Public schools or Private? I mean if you REALLY want to die on that hill we can go back and forth all day on how many times capitalism has worked in lieu of socialism. I notice you have no answer to concerns of triage or rationing of care or even mandates?

However, let's get back the subject at hand. Let's do this.... show how government intervention has improved healthcare overall. Specifically, start with the ACA/Obamacare. I mean, I can go further back, but that's the easiest reference point.

I see what you mean, but from my point of view your argument was that socialism never works, so i said 'why does capitalism always work?'

Government intervention improved healthcare when it stopped letting insurance companies deny coverage based on 'pre-existing conditions' and got rid of lifetime spending caps....there were folks who couldn't get any coverage at all because they needed healthcare....
 

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I see what you mean, but from my point of view your argument was that socialism never works, so i said 'why does capitalism always work?'

Government intervention improved healthcare when it stopped letting insurance companies deny coverage based on 'pre-existing conditions' and got rid of lifetime spending caps....there were folks who couldn't get any coverage at all because they needed healthcare....


Who did it improve it for? Just those that have underlying issues?

For the rest of us that are relatively healthy and hard working you have.....

-Fewer options
-Higher deductibles
-Higher Premiums
-Higher healthcare costs
-Smaller networks
-Smaller insurance pools (namely ones for small businesses and individuals)
-Increased Medicaid enrollment

Explain again how the government knows what it's doing?
 

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Who did it improve it for? Just those that have underlying issues?

For the rest of us that are relatively healthy and hard working you have.....

-Fewer options
-Higher deductibles
-Higher Premiums
-Higher healthcare costs
-Smaller networks
-Smaller insurance pools (namely ones for small businesses and individuals)
-Increased Medicaid enrollment

Explain again how the government knows what it's doing?

Increased medicaid enrollment is a good thing, right? I mean, more coverage for people without it....
Higher healthcare costs? i think costs were trending upward for decades before ACA....
MBB-ACA%20at%2010-Health%20Affairs-Feb2020-01.png

yes, i'd say it improved it for those who did not have coverage; those who now receive medicaid, and those who work at smaller companies who dont provide benefits. when i worked for a small plumbing company, i had no benefits at all but the ACA gave me nearly-free coverage through the marketplace... otherwise what you say is true. Part of the benefit of the pre-ACA model was that as a younger, healthier person, it was much, much cheaper. Now that the insurance companies can't deny the unhealthy and chronically ill coverage, the costs have gone up significantly for us healthier folks. So it's really a matter of whether or not you agree with the principle that the young and healthy producers in society should subsidize those who cannot afford it or who have chronic illnesses via higher premiums.....
 

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Increased medicaid enrollment is a good thing, right? I mean, more coverage for people without it....
Higher healthcare costs? i think costs were trending upward for decades before ACA....
MBB-ACA%20at%2010-Health%20Affairs-Feb2020-01.png

yes, i'd say it improved it for those who did not have coverage; those who now receive medicaid, and those who work at smaller companies who dont provide benefits. when i worked for a small plumbing company, i had no benefits at all but the ACA gave me nearly-free coverage through the marketplace... otherwise what you say is true. Part of the benefit of the pre-ACA model was that as a younger, healthier person, it was much, much cheaper. Now that the insurance companies can't deny the unhealthy and chronically ill coverage, the costs have gone up significantly for us healthier folks. So it's really a matter of whether or not you agree with the principle that the young and healthy producers in society should subsidize those who cannot afford it or who have chronic illnesses via higher premiums.....
ACA gave me 2k premiums for horrible coverage.
 

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put In a higher income then look at family plans.
family plans are different...those have always been really high, right? i don't have kids so i don't know what is reasonable to be honest....kids go to the doctor more than adults, i imagine, anyway...is that really an ACA or just a kids are expensive thing?
 

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