show me a round at the same wieght that penetrates "intermediate" barriers better, while giving positive expansion, not trying to argue, just would like to see proof of a better option
Where does Hornady claim that CD has perfect expansion through any barrier? Hornady's website claims CD expands consistently through heavy clothing. http://www.hornady.com/store/critical_defense
Here is Hornadys own description of the Critical Defense, not meant to penetrate barriers.
Additionally, Critical DEFENSE® is not intended for use in extreme (law enforcement) situations that require superior barrier performance.*
http://www.hornady.com/support/critical-duty-and-critical-defense
But its your butt on the line carry whatever you like!
Additionally, Critical DEFENSE® is not intended for use in extreme (law enforcement) situations that require superior barrier performance.*
http://www.hornady.com/support/critical-duty-and-critical-defense
But its your butt on the line carry whatever you like!
1. Yes he is serious
2. Just because they "Market" something as the next best thing since sliced bread it doesn't make their marketing claims so
3. Hornaday ammo is designed for rapid expansion not expansion through any surface
4. Hornaday also has problems feeding into some manufactures guns as the little plastic tip gets hung up on the feed ramps and that is not isolated to any lot number or caliber.
5. If Hornaday makes a product in one caliber and size that will get you killed and make your gun an expensive paper weight I would not tend to trust them on any other size or weight they offer.
But if you like the stuff by all means use it.
Ok, at the risk of sounding even more dumb, after looking at that page I realized that I was mixed up, I was thinking critical defnse was the same as critical duty. I've heard alot about critical defense since its realease, then I seen a segment about critical duty on guns and ammo tv, some how I thought they were the same.
I can second this by personal experience.
Recently on the range we had some "demilitarized" (ie, FREE!) kevlar vests that came back from the sand box. We decide to shoot some various rounds into the vests backed up by 4X4s. The vest was 18 layers per side (front and back) with a plastic camo shell.
Results.
Stock GLOCK 20SF
Round Result
1. Hornady Critical defense 10MM - 165GRN. Barely opened up and stuck in 4th layer of Kevlar
2. My Handloaded 10MM XTP 180 GRNS (14.2 grns AA#9) Penetrated all 18 layers, broke 4x4 and was 1/2 way into the wood. Went in like a dime, came out like cash register.
3. Double Tapp 200grn opened up huge, went through 18 layers, exploded the 4X4 and lodged in 3rd layer of kevlar on the other side.
Ruger LCR .357 mag
3. Hornady Critical defense .357 mag 125grn Opened up nicely in 10TH layer of Kevlar.
4. My handloaded .357 mag XTP Zipped through all 18 layers, and blew a hole out of the 4x4 big enough to fit a baseball. Found the Jacket, but no lead.
Had the same results with various other "self defense" loads VS hand loads in 9MM and .40.
The jacket stopped .44 MAG factory rounds (FMJ from 629 with 8-3/8" barrel and a winchest .44. rifle), but could not stop hand loads in the same calibers.
I do think the factory is cheating us...
Thoughts?
surprized so0me of them went through, break out the rifle rounds and youll see they're real weakness
This thread: http://www.okshooters.com/showthread.php?134269-Why-I-like-the-.45ACP&highlight=hornady
has a photo of a HCD bullet recovered from a deer. The bullets may not do that every time, or ever again, I don't know, but I was impressed by what this bullet did.
has a photo of a HCD bullet recovered from a deer. The bullets may not do that every time, or ever again, I don't know, but I was impressed by what this bullet did.
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