Now step back a minute...weren't we going to cease recruiting NATO members as part of an agreement with Russia? Something about de-escalation of hostilities, nuclear arms, etc....
Russia appears to have kept their end of the deal.
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Now step back a minute...weren't we going to cease recruiting NATO members as part of an agreement with Russia? Something about de-escalation of hostilities, nuclear arms, etc....
Russia appears to have kept their end of the deal.
Curious why you say that.
Clearly many of the people there see themselves as such.
Just because America is a rootless, atomized, deracinated cosmopolitan empire doesn’t mean the rest of the world is.
Well, we’re the bad guy, sooooo…
Except even the Russians said that was not true at the time.
Which part was not true?
Because Russia moved then in there during the USSR period, and because Russians have always looked down on the people of Ukraine. It is an excuse pure and simple.
That we promised not to expand NATO eastward. Even Gorby said so.
Sometimes we are.
Our Founders realized this, and cautioned against foreign entanglements. We've pretty much ignored or overturned every precept they set out, so no surprises here.
So you trust what Russia said then, but not now?
The ones that say we made that promise are basing it off something James Baker said, not any official agreement but here is what Gorby said about it. Yes I trust him more t5han Baker.
"In a 2014 interview, Gorbachev said as much: “The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was never discussed. It was not raised in those years.”
A pretty good read on the subject.
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/why-nato-has-become-flash-point-russia-ukraine
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