My recent experience, as posted on Glock Talk:
Last night (3/26), I was returning from Oklahoma City to the Tulsa area via the Turner Turnpike/I-44. At the exit (Kellyville) before my exit (Sapulpa/Sand Springs) I noticed the Oklahoma Highway Patrol conducting random vehicle checks on exiting vehicles. I had heard on my scanner there was some sort of enforcement action going on that evening as I departed towards OKC but thought nothing of it as I thought it was speed-related.
I arrived at my exit, went thru the PikePass lane and turned down the ramp toward the highway to the house. Making the turn, I saw they had a similar random check operation so I got out the license, permit, vehicle registration, and insurance while waiting in line. I pointed out the permit and said I was carrying as required by OK law. The trooper asked where it was, I responded with "on my hip", he handed my papers back to me and wished me a good evening. The cars ahead of me had at least been slowed for a full review of their papers but as soon as we discussed the permit and firearm, I was on my way.
Last night (3/26), I was returning from Oklahoma City to the Tulsa area via the Turner Turnpike/I-44. At the exit (Kellyville) before my exit (Sapulpa/Sand Springs) I noticed the Oklahoma Highway Patrol conducting random vehicle checks on exiting vehicles. I had heard on my scanner there was some sort of enforcement action going on that evening as I departed towards OKC but thought nothing of it as I thought it was speed-related.
I arrived at my exit, went thru the PikePass lane and turned down the ramp toward the highway to the house. Making the turn, I saw they had a similar random check operation so I got out the license, permit, vehicle registration, and insurance while waiting in line. I pointed out the permit and said I was carrying as required by OK law. The trooper asked where it was, I responded with "on my hip", he handed my papers back to me and wished me a good evening. The cars ahead of me had at least been slowed for a full review of their papers but as soon as we discussed the permit and firearm, I was on my way.
Yah you don't have to inform in Kansas but most of us do simply because our DL number is also our CCW number, so it comes up if they run your DL. Better to inform than have a loose cannon freak out about it.
Glad you contacted the Chief. That is not the normal response for most officers. Seems to come to mind that somebody on the Ksccw Forum had the same thing happen with a female officer a while back. Your senerio sounded just like Thiers, wonder if it was the same officer. Comes to mind that she did something stupid then also. Can't remember what but seems like the other poster had additional weapons in the car that she left in there or something.
That is awsome.
That is without a doubt not the normal treatment. I am a KS CCH instructor and have personally dealt with a number of officers form city to county to KHP and have never seen that type of treatment. Im sure it did and does happen but it is not the norm in Kansas.
Ks has a very leniant CCH law and its getting better every year.
I think it depends on the officer. I had that happen to me. I think he was a rookie possibly because he acted scared. On the other hand I've had them just ask where they're at. Last time I got pulled over I had 2 pistols on me and 3 sks's in the trunk. He asked where the pistols were and if the sks's were loaded. Being nice and properly notifying will save you, I know.
I have had similar experiences when pulled over and informing the officer of my CCW status. Nothing but courteous behavior from them and warnings.
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Except for one time in Jenks when I had 3 officers respond to me being pulled over for speeding. I think the female cop was a little skittish.I did my normal routine of rolling down my window and putting my hands out of the window where they can be seen and informing her I am CCW and the location of the gun. She called for backup and boy did they come in a hurry. After having me stand on one foot until I got to the count 23-one thousand I finally told them to either arrest me for suspicion of DUI and that I was requesting a blood test or let me go because first and most importantly, I was not impaired, and secondly, I passed all field sobriety tests with flying colors BECAUSE I was not impaired.
By the time it all played out the female had taken up a defensive position behind the passenger side B post of my car, one male officer was in my face reading me the riot act and the other male officer was directly behind me. They asked me why I was shaking and I responded with " Because it is in the 40's and I am wearing a t-shirt and you guys have had me outside the car doing tests for a long time, all of which I have passed and also because I think I am am being baited into trying something stupid so you guys can give me a beatdown" They took my gun out of the drivers side door and popped the trunk of my car(can they do that without consent to search?) and put the gun in the trunk.
Then they told me to go directly home, which I did. One of them followed me 4 MILES to my house and then turned around in my cul-de-sac and left.
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Truly a case of having a 2-3.2 beers at around 7 in the evening and driving home around 10:00 that night. I know that is the first thing a cop hears in response to have you been drinking is " a couple" which translates to 10 but in this case I was completely 100% sober and the field tests proved it.
Too bad that a routine traffic stop turned into such a sour event that has obviously left a bad taste in my mouth concerning this department. never have experienced anything like this with any other contacts.
And before anyone flames me with "You can't drink and carry you irresponsible idiot" please remember that in this case I had truly drank 2 beers back to back at a friends house at around 7, ate a bunch of food, switched over to Dr. Pepper, weapon at all times in my vehicle. Left 3 hours later.
Lessons learned?
1. Continue to behave at traffic stops the way I have for the last 10 years as the officers seem to respect it and have always been courteous regardless of if I received a ticket or warning.
2. I do not drink and drive and rarely drink more than 2 beers at any given time. But in the future the answer to the question will be no, I have not.
3. maybe let up on the lead foot little bit.
4. Don't expect the same degree of treatment from small departments than larger ones? Perhaps they are bored or less trained than their counterparts?
5. Perhaps figure out what I did to "set off" the female officer and cause her to become so alarmed. To this date i have no idea other than telling her I was CCW.
Funny part about it is that she could have taken me down to the ground and hog tied me all by herself!
BEGIN" I WAS SO TERRIBLY MISTREATED BY THE POLICE RANT"
Except for one time in Jenks when I had 3 officers respond to me being pulled over for speeding. I think the female cop was a little skittish.I did my normal routine of rolling down my window and putting my hands out of the window where they can be seen and informing her I am CCW and the location of the gun. She called for backup and boy did they come in a hurry. After having me stand on one foot until I got to the count 23-one thousand I finally told them to either arrest me for suspicion of DUI and that I was requesting a blood test or let me go because first and most importantly, I was not impaired, and secondly, I passed all field sobriety tests with flying colors BECAUSE I was not impaired.
By the time it all played out the female had taken up a defensive position behind the passenger side B post of my car, one male officer was in my face reading me the riot act and the other male officer was directly behind me. They asked me why I was shaking and I responded with " Because it is in the 40's and I am wearing a t-shirt and you guys have had me outside the car doing tests for a long time, all of which I have passed and also because I think I am am being baited into trying something stupid so you guys can give me a beatdown" They took my gun out of the drivers side door and popped the trunk of my car(can they do that without consent to search?) and put the gun in the trunk.
Then they told me to go directly home, which I did. One of them followed me 4 MILES to my house and then turned around in my cul-de-sac and left.
END " I WAS SO TERRIBLY MISTREATED BY THE POLICE RANT"
Truly a case of having a 2-3.2 beers at around 7 in the evening and driving home around 10:00 that night. I know that is the first thing a cop hears in response to have you been drinking is " a couple" which translates to 10 but in this case I was completely 100% sober and the field tests proved it.
Too bad that a routine traffic stop turned into such a sour event that has obviously left a bad taste in my mouth concerning this department. never have experienced anything like this with any other contacts.
And before anyone flames me with "You can't drink and carry you irresponsible idiot" please remember that in this case I had truly drank 2 beers back to back at a friends house at around 7, ate a bunch of food, switched over to Dr. Pepper, weapon at all times in my vehicle. Left 3 hours later.
Lessons learned?
1. Continue to behave at traffic stops the way I have for the last 10 years as the officers seem to respect it and have always been courteous regardless of if I received a ticket or warning.
2. I do not drink and drive and rarely drink more than 2 beers at any given time. But in the future the answer to the question will be no, I have not.
3. maybe let up on the lead foot little bit.
4. Don't expect the same degree of treatment from small departments than larger ones? Perhaps they are bored or less trained than their counterparts?
5. Perhaps figure out what I did to "set off" the female officer and cause her to become so alarmed. To this date i have no idea other than telling her I was CCW.
Funny part about it is that she could have taken me down to the ground and hog tied me all by herself!
The truest statement ever when it comes to police/ccw holder contacts.
Cops are just like the rest of the population; some are competent, some are not.
Michael Brown
