Evolution

[Sanford]

I'll be more inclined to accept the theory of evolution when science can prove where life actually came from and how it began. Until then I feel like my own guess (opinion, faith, whatever) is as good as anyone else's.

 

[Lurker66]

Shorter?
In my experience, every generation is taller.

We can evolve taller or shorter depending on our environment.

 

[Eagle Eye]

We can evolve taller or shorter depending on our environment.

If by we you mean a population of humans, then ok. but if you mean we as in you personally, then that is incorrect.

 

[Lurker66]

I'll be more inclined to accept the theory of evolution when science can prove where life actually came from and how it began. Until then I feel like my own guess (opinion, faith, whatever) is as good as anyone else's.

You think the same thing about gravity? You know gravity is real right? You also know that we don't know exactly where gravity came from?

By your logic, because YOU don't know, they don't know, then your guess is as good as theirs?

 

[Lurker66]

If by we you mean a population of humans, then ok. but if you mean we as in you personally, then that is incorrect.

We as in us, not I as in me. Although one person can evolve, I'm not sure that would count as evolution.

 

[Sanford]

I'll be more inclined to accept the theory of evolution when science can prove where life actually came from and how it began. Until then I feel like my own guess (opinion, faith, whatever) is as good as anyone else's.

You think the same thing about gravity? You know gravity is real right? You also know that we don't know exactly where gravity came from?

By your logic, because YOU don't know, they don't know, then your guess is as good as theirs?

Not even close to what I said. I said that once science could prove what life is I'd be more inclined to accept science's theory of how life progresses. I really have no idea why they don't know - but I'm inclined to believe that it has nothing whatsoever to do with me. I recognize that I'm fallible and could very well be wrong and I also recognize that science is fallible could very well be wrong (geocentric universe, static universe, luminiferous aether, phlogiston, etc). In that regard, yes - as far as I'm concerned my (opinion, faith, whatever) is as good as science's theory.

Does that help clarify?

(edit) oh, and yes - I recognize gravity is real just as I recognize life is real - though I don't see what that has to do with my original statement (/edit)

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

What happens when the the laws of physics go to the speed of light or faster?

The you'd better look fast!

It's all relative. It's unobservable. It hasn't been revealed to us yet. It is interesting speculation and the ability for us to calculate beyond the speed of light might just be the clue that there are things faster than light besides our imaginations!

Woody

 

[YukonGlocker]

Awesome discussion!

 

[Lurker66]

Not even close to what I said. I said that once science could prove what life is I'd be more inclined to accept science's theory of how life progresses. I really have no idea why they don't know - but I'm inclined to believe that it has nothing whatsoever to do with me. I recognize that I'm fallible and could very well be wrong and I also recognize that science is fallible could very well be wrong (geocentric universe, static universe, luminiferous aether, phlogiston, etc). In that regard, yes - as far as I'm concerned my (opinion, faith, whatever) is as good as science's theory.

Does that help clarify?

(edit) oh, and yes - I recognize gravity is real just as I recognize life is real - though I don't see what that has to do with my original statement (/edit)

Sanford please don't take this as ridicule. It's not my intention. I love discussing this stuff. I also like to use simple analogies.

If explaining life and where it came from was being explained to a small child, I would use Santa, Christmas and presents to explain it. Then I would explain that as children get older, they'll better understand that while Santa is a myth, Christmas was once Holy, and presents once represented gifts from the fable and evolved from simple gifts to very expensive consumerism type things.

Life exists, life evolves, life either was created or just happened....this much we know for 100%. At some point, kids stop believing in Santa, yet celebrate Christmas. People who deny evolution are stuck in their childhood. They understand Christmas but can't NOT believe in Santa. They are torn. Santa without Christmas is just a story.

In the other thread I asked if God could exist outside of the Bible? I think the answer is yes. The question I ask now is; do we need God to evolve? I think the answer is no. We don't need him to evolve. We have the power to create life, and modify life, independent of God or his will.

Now we just need a good story that will make us feel good. Once upon a time or In the beginning. ....some day, some where there will be an end to mono theism because smart people quit Believing in Santa and just practice Christmas because it makes us feel good.

 

[RidgeHunter]

I think its ironic that many people get the idea of pedigrees but then can't accept that at some point in time we (humans) did share a common ancestor with an ape.

There is a god, and he made a monkey that really doesn't like to think it's a monkey.

I think my grandmother has hard candy older than a lot of folk think the earth is.