Medical Marijuana and gun ownership/possession

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A followup: I just read the ATF letter carefully, and the ruling is less nonsensical than I first thought. (g)(3) covers possession, but the letter also cites (d)(3), which applies to the dealer, and includes language about having "reason to believe" the buyer is an unlawful user. That's consistent with the position that having a card gives rise to a reasonable belief that the person uses.

One more reason we need to end the stupid prohibition on a plant.
Well our replies overlapped. I did my master's thesis on marijuana in early 1980s. MJ in Oklahoma then was about 4% and up to 10% in California and some strains up to maybe 15% in Hawaii. Today, average buds I Colorado are 17.1% and concentrated up to 62%. We are now seeing 2015 reports that 1 in 5 (20%) of people in auto wrecks have THC in the system. This is compared to 7.1% for all classes of opioids, vicoden, Oxycodone, Fentanyl, OxyContin, Morphine, Heroine, Opium base, etc. While it is hard to reconcile the data, just the 11% or so increase in auto accidents in Colorado should cause folks to panic. Problem is there is nobody being paid to study the issues much, except for the folks who stand to make Billions from legalization. So before we just legalize this new 62% THC and release it to the public maybe we should study it. I am not aware of any single Oklahoma doctor who actually came out and promoted this actual bill. Please send me links if there are any. Thanks appreciate the dialogue. My bedtime.
 

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http://www.newson6.com/story/385242...marijuana-users-prohibited-from-gun-ownership


See the Dept of Justice letter regarding gun purchase and ownership for those with a medical marijuana card within the story.

According to the letter, those with a card must answer yes to the 4473 illegal drug question because possession and use is still illegal under federal law......answering no to the question would be making a false statement which is a federal felony.

"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." -
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I am sorry, I just don't give a hoot.

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"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." -
I have been telling people that for a few years now.
illegal under federal law.


See my Quote above. But if you don't want to scroll 2 inches.


If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." -
Thomas Jefferson


Stop being a bootlicking authoritarian and have some conviction for someone other than POWER.

I just don't give a **** what non-sensical law some clown who grifts money from wall street writes.

You want me on UBI or growing Cannabis and taxed? Because last I checked Google had an internal policy to only hire H1-B visa's and LITERALLY had internal memo's against hiring white engineers and datacenter managers.......


Your choice for real. Give me $12,000 - 15,000 a month free. Or let me grow cannabis.
 
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Well our replies overlapped. I did my master's thesis on marijuana in early 1980s. MJ in Oklahoma then was about 4% and up to 10% in California and some strains up to maybe 15% in Hawaii. Today, average buds I Colorado are 17.1% and concentrated up to 62%. We are now seeing 2015 reports that 1 in 5 (20%) of people in auto wrecks have THC in the system. This is compared to 7.1% for all classes of opioids, vicoden, Oxycodone, Fentanyl, OxyContin, Morphine, Heroine, Opium base, etc. While it is hard to reconcile the data, just the 11% or so increase in auto accidents in Colorado should cause folks to panic. Problem is there is nobody being paid to study the issues much, except for the folks who stand to make Billions from legalization. So before we just legalize this new 62% THC and release it to the public maybe we should study it. I am not aware of any single Oklahoma doctor who actually came out and promoted this actual bill. Please send me links if there are any. Thanks appreciate the dialogue. My bedtime.


20% of people or more in auto wrecks probably have sugar in their system.....

That doesn't make them any less dumb for texting and driving......or manipulating their electronic devices, finding a new route on GPS or whatever like I see up and down the freeways.


Talk to me when we have laws that cease all ancillary functions except 911 while a car is moving.

Otherwise I am going to assume that tweet or cell phone was more important in the cause of said accident. But data is skewed well....daily for all sorts of manipulative purposes.

I can almost GUARANTEE you the rise in auto accidents happened with a certain younger generation as they came of age. Ones that say, grew up on Twitter. Or with a cell phone the last 10 years with a screen on its face. Go back through data. Cannabis wasn't the only factor. How big was twitter's user base in 2014 in Colorado and how big was it in 2015. How many of those users became of age to drive in 2015.

Your data is one piece of a 2500 piece puzzle. You found a corner, and called it complete. LOL.

Also. You won't manually control a vehicle for personal use in the year 2028. Get ready.

I am weaponized autism. Test me.
 
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Channel 4 hopping on the bandwagon..

OKLAHOMA CITY – After voters in Oklahoma approved a state question to legalize medical marijuana, officials are warning gun buyers that a federal law may cause problems if they plan to become medical marijuana patients.

Federal law states that any person who is an “unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance” cannot ship, transport, receive or possess firearms or ammunition.

According to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, there are no exceptions to the law, even if it is legal by state law.

When purchasing a weapon, gun buyers must fill out ATF Form 4473 as part of a background check. The form includes question about whether the purchaser is an “unlawful user of marijuana.”

Officials say if you are a medical marijuana patient, you are required to answer “yes,” and will therefore be unable to purchase a gun.
 

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Yeah, we might as well have people that are on pain management with opioids put on the no gun list also. Freedom and all...


Yep ALL pharmaceuticals.

Provision in 788 statute wording:

E. No person holding a medical marijuana license may unduly be withheld from holding a state
issued license by virtue of their being a medical marijuana license holder. This would include such things
as a concealed carry permit.

I give no hoot about Federal laws which are immoral and unjust. Thnx.

Lets talk about the federal TAX STAMP provision for marijuana, but ooops, the international treaties we signed scheduling cannabis for profiteers makes you a criminal for paying it!

Also, just having a license does not preclude usage.

Same as concealed carry PERMIT. Having it does not imply its explicit USAGE in any singular moment.


This is one of those things that separate actual men, from boys regarding "freedom".


You have no ability to impede my rights, while issuing new ones, which NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN ANY GOVERNMENTS TO REVOKE/ISSUE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Especially those in the Bill of Rights.
 
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