Boeing 737 NG CRASH in Iran

[dennishoddy]

Iran was correct when they said the plane went down to mechanical failure.
Plane engines always fail when a SAM enters the exhaust at a high rate of speed.
Plus there is a video of the missile hitting he plane.

 

[SMS]

There was a bunch of other planes (About seven or eight) that departed Tehran on the same basic flight path around the same time after they launched their bottle rockets into Iraq. What was launched at and destroyed the Ukrainian airliner was sophisticated surface-to-air guided missiles. This was not an accident. Your opinion might be different from mine on this matter, but I will for sure call you out on trying to implicate this was a tit-for-tat for the shoot-down of Flight 655, or even a case of mistaken identity, or a lack of IFF, or that we should dismiss this shoot down simply because we have done it ourselves. Flight 655 was queried as per protocol and gave no response. There is no mention of whether or not this Ukrainian flight was queried before the missiles were launched.

I still believe if a through investigation of the passengers aboard this flight were to be conducted, the reason it was shot down would likely become apparent. That said, there are several other possible reasons it was shot down such as those I mentioned earlier. I cannot include "accidentally".

Woody

You are inferring a whole lot from an implication I did not make...I’m not arguing the Iranians didn’t shoot it down.

So there is nothing to “call me out on”.

My only point is/was **** happens in the heat of battle inside imperfect systems with imperfect humans guiding deadly weapons.

To engage in early speculation that the Iranians were the only ones who might’ve splashed that plane was irresponsible. More information will come forward eventually that might prove the early speculation correct though.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

From the looks of the pictures and videos the scatter debris field indicates that the "aerosol bomb" happened at 8000 FT.

The reason I say it looked like an aerosol bomb is due to the instantaneous and huge explosion when it hit the ground. It was streaming fire as it went down which meant it was spewing fuel. From the few pictures of the wreckage we have seen, the 737 was full of holes and likely spewing fuel from many places, all of which would have hit the ground at the same time as the flaming fuel ignited by the missile strikes, and kaboom! Some of the debris shown on the TV didn't look like there was much of a fire, though some of it might have been blown clear of the aircraft when the missiles blew the plane full of holes.

Woody

 

[tRidiot]

Plus there is a video of the missile hitting he plane.

Have you seen this???

 

[bigred1]

Have you seen this???

They played the footage on ABC World News about half a dozen times last night.

 

[TeleStratMan]

The reason I say it looked like an aerosol bomb is due to the instantaneous and huge explosion when it hit the ground. It was streaming fire as it went down which meant it was spewing fuel. From the few pictures of the wreckage we have seen, the 737 was full of holes and likely spewing fuel from many places, all of which would have hit the ground at the same time as the flaming fuel ignited by the missile strikes, and kaboom! Some of the debris shown on the TV didn't look like there was much of a fire, though some of it might have been blown clear of the aircraft when the missiles blew the plane full of holes.

Woody

I saying the aircraft fuselage came apart at 8000 ft instead of when it hit the ground because of the large area of the debris field and very SMALL pieces of the aircraft. There was not very much of the aircraft left to hit the ground in one piece after being hit by 2 missiles. Basically the 2 missiles turned the B737 into a fuel air bomb. If the aircraft hit the ground in a few Large pieces the debris field would have been much smaller.
The higher the altitude the larger the debris field.

example : the space shuttle Columbia
"Debris rained over hundreds of miles of Texas fields and highways, stretching from near Dallas all the way to Louisiana. Residents reported finding metal fragments and piles of ash and what appeared to be a door of the shuttle."

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

...

My only point is/was **** happens in the heat of battle inside imperfect systems with imperfect humans guiding deadly weapons.

To engage in early speculation that the Iranians were the only ones who might’ve splashed that plane was irresponsible...

Speaking of early speculation and I quote; "My only point is/was **** happens in the heat of battle inside imperfect systems with imperfect humans guiding deadly weapons."

And here is some more early speculation and I quote; "For the same reasons we shot down flight 655 which was on a known commercial air route, climbing, and squawking on civilian mode....fear, confusion, aggressive posture, and poor communication.

Their air defense forces were seeing ghosts that night..."

You might want to do some self annalysis on your own specultion. It should look just as irresponsible to you as how my speculation looks to you.

Woody

 

[SMS]

Ok Woody.

Keep arguing with ghosts.

 

[tRidiot]

They played the footage on ABC World News about half a dozen times last night.

That's interesting. I looked around the web and found some references... somewhat toned down, of course, from the NYT and such, saying it 'appears to show' etc. If this were a US missile the outrage meters would be going off the charts. But everyone is stepping all over their d**ks to try to keep from painting Iran in a bad light. I really just can't f***ing believe it.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

I saying the aircraft fuselage came apart at 8000 ft instead of when it hit the ground because of the large area of the debris field and very SMALL pieces of the aircraft. There was not very much of the aircraft left to hit the ground in one piece after being hit by 2 missiles. Basically the 2 missiles turned the B737 into a fuel air bomb.
The higher the altitude the larger the debris field.

example : the space shuttle Columbia
"Debris rained over hundreds of miles of Texas fields and highways, stretching from near Dallas all the way to Louisiana. Residents reported finding metal fragments and piles of ash and what appeared to be a door of the shuttle."

I don't doubt what you say here. My point is that when the pieces of the plane and all the spilled fuel hit the ground, there was one large fireball and it exploded like an aerosol bomb. Normally, when a plane crashes that isn't already in pieces, there is usually a fire, but not something that looks like one giant flash.

I must now point out that you edited your post just after I read your response and the following is what I was responding to:

I saying the aircraft fuselage came apart at 8000 ft instead of when it hit the ground because of the large area of the debris field and very SMALL pieces of the aircraft. There was not very much of the aircraft left to hit the ground in one piece after being hit by 2 missiles.
The higher the altitude the larger the debris field.

This is what still appears on my screen.

When I hit "Reply", what you see at the top is what appears at the top of my reply. If I hit "Refresh", I'm sure your post will update to include the edit on my screen.

I will post this before I refresh so I don't lose what I've written.

Woody