Examples of Devaluation

[joegrizzy]

You are correct in that it will be decades before internal combustion cars become a thing of the past, but it is coming.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/23/9162...er-banning-sales-of-new-gasoline-cars-by-2035https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-cars/a37611449/new-york-gas-cars-ban-2035/https://www.pcmag.com/news/massachusetts-to-ban-sale-of-new-gas-powered-vehicles-by-2035

it won't be decades. i don't know about where you guys live, but honestly when i stop at a light at this point it's almost a guarantee to see a tesla. sometimes multiples. it seems like literally everyone in nw okc has one.

that's ONE manufacturer. imagine when they ALL sell EV's and ONLY EV's. if you want gas, you'll buy used. this will take far less time than people think.

 

[El Pablo]

It's not the remote shutdown that everyone needs to be worrying about, but rather the integrated 'black box' that most newer cars have which supposedly are there ONLY to aid in service-tech troubleshooting.
Occasionally we hear about the insurance company using the 'black box' information to determine the details of the car before/during an accident (speed, direction of travel, brake/turn signal use, etc.).
What we do not hear about are things like remote real-time tracking of the vehicle or [possibly] in-car conversations gathered through devices like GPS mapping, SiriusXM radio, and of course that 'black box'.

What happens in our vehicle though pales in comparison to the openness that we willingly provide via our 'connected' Smart Home through gadgets like TV, radio, phones, computers, cameras, door locks, and even wifi tethered toothbrushes.

That’s a completely different issue. I was only commenting on the remote shutoff tin hatter.

i just don’t buy a new car if I care about the new ecus. Problem solved. On gps tracking, since I have a smart phone, that shipped sailed for me 10 years ago.

 

[joegrizzy]

That’s a completely different issue. I was only commenting on the remote shutoff tin hatter.

i just don’t buy a new car if I care about the new ecus. Problem solved. On gps tracking, since I have a smart phone, that shipped sailed for me 10 years ago.

it's not tin hatter, and your comment wasn't relevant.

you said any car can be controlled with implanted devices, which is completely different than literally hacking a car remotely.

 

[El Pablo]

it's not tin hatter, and your comment wasn't relevant.

you said any car can be controlled with implanted devices, which is completely different than literally hacking a car remotely.

For clarity any car can easily be remotely deactivated with an implanted device. it’s stupid simple electronics. just like any car can easily be tracked with an implanted device, or your own, self-issued, government and company tracking device (your smart phone). All are easier than remote hacking the average car. That’s my point.

 

[joegrizzy]

to plant a device on a car in a locked garage?
than just waiting for someone to go for a drive in public and tail them?

what?

 

[ForsakenConservative]

It seems to me that the lender is the one that will be screwed. If we have 1000%inflation I will sell my 10-year-old car for $100k and pay off my mortgage.

Sounds fine, assuming we are still using greenbacks…..
70-80% of all mortgages are directly or indirectly underwritten by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, funded/owned by the feds. IF things went that sideways, they will demand immediate payment (before replacing the dollar) or your vacating of the property. Next they’ll simply tax you into turning it over (The majority of demoncrats will tell you it is not “fair” that you have your own home anyhow). The national socialists in Germany did it (as the basis of their rebooted currency), I doubt it’s citizens thought it possible at the time……

 

[HarryBear]

How about the US Dollar?

 

[ForsakenConservative]

Our political elite do not have the fortitude to save the dollar, so they want to spend like bitter high school girls with their stepfather’s credit card until the dollar collapses. Then they will blame their predecessors, claim only they can fix it, and their minions will re-elect them. Remember politicians are not interested in solutions, only promoting problems-that’s where their power is.

 

[ramco]

it won't be decades. i don't know about where you guys live, but honestly when i stop at a light at this point it's almost a guarantee to see a tesla. sometimes multiples. it seems like literally everyone in nw okc has one.

that's ONE manufacturer. imagine when they ALL sell EV's and ONLY EV's. if you want gas, you'll buy used. this will take far less time than people think.

Did you see the guy that filmed his Tesla being blown up with explosives? When he found out the replacement batteries were $20,000, it was more than his car was worthy so he blew his car up.
They are trying to figure out how to dispose of thousands of worn out lithium batteries in the near future. Electric cars will still need lubrication as will all the machines that will make them as well as the windmills the fools in California think will run the state.

 

[Glocktogo]

That’s a completely different issue. I was only commenting on the remote shutoff tin hatter.

i just don’t buy a new car if I care about the new ecus. Problem solved. On gps tracking, since I have a smart phone, that shipped sailed for me 10 years ago.

For clarity any car can easily be remotely deactivatedwith an implanted device. it’s stupid simple electronics. just like any car can easily be tracked with an implanted device, or your own, self-issued, government and company tracking device (your smart phone). All are easier than remote hacking the average car. That’s my point.

What we’re trying to tell you is that pretty much ALL new cars have an “implanted device”. Almost all car manufacturer are trying to move to a subscription service model for recurring revenues.

https://mutualmobile.com/resources/car-subscription-services-are-the-future-of-vehicle-ownership
My Chevy truck (and every other GM vehicle) comes with OnStar. My wife’s Kia has a similar service that’s subscription based. They all take over the air updates via satellite. So they can all be disabled via satellite.

And yes, they can be hacked:

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2019-automotive-cyber-hack-security-study-upstream/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...utos-become-ever-more-loaded-tech/1032951001/
https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hacke...m/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/
As we’ve already seen with this insane abortion seeker tracking bill Oklahoma wants a database to track women considering abortions there’s always a statist autocrat looking for ways to control We The People. I guarantee you DARPA already has the ability to remotely kill a modern vehicle without even bothering to hack into a manufacturer’s system.

Do you not know that a lot of hardware and software from China comes with malware pre installed?

https://www.pcworld.com/article/461327/your_pc_may_come_with_malware_pre_installed.html
I get that you’d like to believe this is all “tin hat” stuff, but you should probably wake up now. The dystopian future is already pre installed for your overlords, it just hasn’t been triggered yet.