Joe and Jose...

Vamoose said:

One doesn't exist without the other. They'e siblings. They grew up together and they defend each other. Turn one over and you'll find the other wiggling around in the dirt underneath.

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OK, I get to call BS on this one! Is it racist to say the average Oklahoman is a gun-toting Christian? Sterotypes are about averages and have NOTHING to do with being racist. White people can't jump or dance...never heard that called racist. I'm not upset, on the average it's true. Stereotyping only becomes racism when you emotionally and negatively react based on them.

Everyone knows most Americans are lazy and fat... Lets face it that's why a lot of other countries don't like Americans... If you not willing to work hard for a job sorry but there are plenty of people-possibly Latino- that will take that job opportunity with no complaints about pay or conditions. I wish people would quit complaining about the Latino people taking jobs when the American Government has made it very easy to outsource jobs and Corporations are partly to blame... Business has to go on everyday, One cant wait to fill a job because an American isn't satisfied with the pay or how hard the work is so if someone is willing to pick up a hammer, shovel, trowel etc, why not let that person make a better life for his or her family when others just sit around and eat McDonald all day.

I work at a job where i bust my ass everyday and watch many -about 80 percent- of my fellow americans soak up the gravy on the gravy train and dont do anything all day long. Every single day, yet they get great pay and benefits and alot of them get on light duty for no reason and milk and milk the governments teet for thousands and thousands... Replace these people with hard working latinos and holy crap production went up 500 percent... I dont believe anyone who says americans arent lazy i see it everywhere. This country is run on money and greed. How can we make a product for cheaper and charge more to up the profit margin. Its simple business economics. Why is it so hard to see that if a company can get twice as much work done at half the price they would not jump at that deal. Say if u could deposit your pay check and it double would u not do it?

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OK, I get to call BS on this one! Is it racist to say the average Oklahoman is a gun-toting Christian? Sterotypes are about averages and have NOTHING to do with being racist. White people can't jump or dance...never heard that called racist. I'm not upset, on the average it's true. Stereotyping only becomes racism when you emotionally and negatively react based on them.

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Which is exactly the response that the OP is trying to elicit from the reader. Also, notice that the OP doesn't implore the reader, who should closely identify himself and his family with Joe and Joe's family, to vote out politicians that support social services but to vote against politicians that support "illegal aliens" because we wouldn't want Joe to think that we'd take away his entitlements.

Norman's responses are highlighted in red.

http://www.texasgopvote.com/blog/joe-legal-vs-jose-illegal-bs-myths-05141

Joe Legal vs. Jose Illegal - BS Myths
By Norman Adams

As Co-founder of Texans for Sensible Immigration Policy, I respond (which can be seen in red) to an e-mail that has been sent around to the masses entitled "Joe Legal vs. Jose Illegal" by setting the record straight with facts, not fiction!

There are two families: "Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal." Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California.

Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number, and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted. Actually, a lot of Illegals do the same. They use a fake SS number.

Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table." Actually, a lot of U.S. Citizens do the same. Employers treat them as "sub contractors" to avoid paying matching taxes and providing WC and UE taxes.

Ready? Now pay attention...

Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00. This is absurd. A single man with that income, with no dependent children will pay less than 20% in taxes, including Social Security and Medicare. This comes to $10,400 leaving Joe Legal with $41,600. Just remember that illegals who used a fake Social Security number are doing the same thing - they're paying money into our Social Security system that they will never collect.

Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00. Again, under our current immigration laws, U.S. employers have hired millions of "Jose Illegals" LEGALLY. Their taxes are withheld just like Joe Legal's taxes are withheld.

Joe Legal Pays Medical and Dental Insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00. Actually, Joe Legal has $34,400.00. Remember he is paying less than 20% in taxes. Millions of illegals are doing the same thing with fake social security cards.

Joe Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00. This is an overstatement. Assuming you are talking about illegals who are not insured (there are millions working for employers with benefits) they are in the same boat as the legal uninsured. Both groups show up at the emergency room for the medical treatment because they cannot be turned away.

Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00. Actually, Joe Legal now has $28,400.00. This also implies that Illegals receive welfare and food stamps. This is not true - both welfare and food stamp programs require a VERIFIED valid Social Security ID.

Joe Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00. Again, no one gets foods stamps without a verified SS number! Jose Illegal now has $25,200 after food expenses.

Joe Legal pays rent of $1200.00 per month, or $14,400 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631.00. Actually, Joe Legal has $14,000.00. Also, many Illegals own their homes, so what is the point?

Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month Federal rent subsidy. Again, not true because of the SS ID requirement.

Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month for rent, or $6000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00. Why would one think the average Jose Illegal pays any less rent than the average "Joe Legal"? This is a deliberate misrepresentation. Jose Illegal's now has $10,800 after rent expense.

Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 per year for insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00. Actually, he now has $11,600.00. Legal status is no guarantee that someone will buy insurance - again the deck is being stacked.

Jose Illegal says "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!" and still has $31,200.00. If Illegals were allowed to renew their drivers licenses, they could buy liability insurance on the cars and trucks that we sold them. Now, we refuse to renew their drivers licenses?!? So, who is it that is keeping Jose Illegal from buying insurance?!?

Joe Legal has to make his $7,231 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc. Actually, it is $11,600.00. Yes, he sure does have to make it stretch. Good thing he live in a country that offers more opportunities to people regardless of class or national origin. Everything he buys contributes to our U.S. economy. Everyone should want Joe Legal to succeed. When he succeeds, America succeeds!

Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 (the correct number is $10,800) stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month. Jose Illegal can do whatever he wants with his money. But, he also buys goods and services in the United States of America. His money counts the same as Joe Legal.

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work. Also known as getting ahead!

Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family. This is a ridiculous characterization. More likely, he is standing on a corner waiting for any job at $10.00 per hour, hoping that the guy that picks him up will pay him.

Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home. They bot get a free lunch and they both study English.

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay. What makes you think "Jose" did not pay for these services? In Texas, we pay our police and fire services through local sales and property taxes. If Jose had lived in Texas he would have paid plenty of those. Now consider this: If Jose had lived in Arizona, how likely is it that Jose Illegal will call the police when he is the victim of a crime? He is afraid to report the crime as he knows he is subject to deportation!

Do you get it now?!? Yes, it's obvious that you know very little about Illegal Immigration!

If you vote for or support any politician who supports immigration reform - You are part of the problem! No, you are the problem! Keep it up, and you will drive more legal immigrants to vote for the likes of Obama Socialism! If you can read get you head out of ... and think! God gave you a brain. Use it and support Sensible Immigration Reform. America deserves a sensible immigration policy. Secure our borders and demand a positive ID of every NON-CITIZEN in the country. Deport those with violent criminal records but issue work permits to those we allow to stay. Allow no short cuts to citizenship, except for military service. Establish a penalty tax for non-citizens and their employers as an incentive to hire citizens first!

For more information, you can fo to TXSIP.com.

By Norman Adams at May 14, 2010 10:14 AM

Sol, you are casting your pearls into the pig pen.

Yeah man, you were just supposed to read the OP and be all like "Yeah, let's eat all the illegals!....Roooaaaaaarrrrr....I'm a real A-murican, dangit".

I still agree with the OP's basic premise.

ronny said:

I still agree with the OP's basic premise.

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Even though it's been pretty much disproved?

ronny said:

I still agree with the OP's basic premise.

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I don't think the OP had a premise. He just had a cut and paste.