Should OU suspend basketball players for useing "N" word on national TV?

EhlerDave said:

Okay my turn.

Why do we not see crap fly when the term honky or cracker is used?

If the frat boys had been singing a nice song and using the "N" word would all be okay? I doubt it, we do have words that are okay for some but not others.

Tell me I am wrong, I was born and spent more than a few years in East LA , being just a few of the white folks in the area as a kid repeating the same stuff I heard daily lead to a fight or two. How do we explain that?

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farmerbyron said:

There is a double standard. Kind of like how it is not culturally acceptable to smash a woman's face in. Even if she deserves it.

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YukonGlocker said:

Easily explainable if you consider the contextual/situational differences. My post about ingroup vs. outgroup processes is a great place to start, and it's references the exact context you mention.

This example (the frat/basketball comparison, nor the "smash a woman's face" example) doesn't demonstrate a double standard. Working forward from the ingroup vs. outgroup perspective...in many cultures, it's acceptable to call each other "******"; however, if you aren't a member of that culture, and using the word in the correct cultural context, it isn't acceptable. This is true in all cultures and subcultures around the world, and is also observed in many non-human animal species. If you are part of the group, some things literally have a different meaning than if you are not part of the group.

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Glocktogo said:

You're making it sound like an anthropological study. WE may know that doesn't hold any negative connotations per se, but I'd like to see you sell that to the hysterical media and hate "hate" groups.

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YukonGlocker said:

I'm simply using evidence from a large body of science that explains the current case. Do you disagree with my statements, or is there some other point? I'm having difficulty understanding your post.

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Glocktogo said:

I'm saying that even double standards are judged on a double standard. In other words, it's possible for high profile black athletes to use the word on national TV and get a complete pass, yet other "ingroup" usage of otherwise derogatory words and phrases will recieve more scrutiny...

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Glocktogo said:

...As for the anthropological part, yes you're using science and its perfectly legit. Now go tell someone you're doing an anthropological study on the phenomenon of repurposing derogatory words in black culture, and you'd like to speak with them about it. Let me know how that goes.

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YukonGlocker said:

The cases are not equal, and this difference is critical in understanding their differential outcomes.
- frat case: ingroup members referring to outgroup members
- basketball case: ingroup members referring to ingroup members

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YukonGlocker said:

I already did that, and it went well. I (along with a team of scientists from various disciplines) secured a million dollar grant from the NSF for it.

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Glocktogo said:

You forgot to mention the other completely different circumstance.

- frat case: Private event showcasing majority "non-inclusive" behavior that was leaked to the media.

- basketball case: Nationally televised event showcasing minority "non-inclusive" behavior that was ignored by the media...

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Glocktogo said:

...Please enlighten us. It may be educational on more than one level in regards to this debate.

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Cards81fan said:

YG are you doing your phd studies in Sociology or IO Psych or ??

Just curious. My masters is in sociological field and my sister in law has a phd in IO. There's a lot of science about this that gets lost in all the anecdotes.

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