I HATE the 5.11 pants. They scream off-duty cop, ex-military or "I have a gun". Also, the rear pockets ride so low it's by definition a pain in the a$$ when carrying a wallet. I like the Tru-spec shorts and BDU's. They are heavy weight and inside the cargo pocket on the leg is an inner pocket that securely holds a j-frame or small auto and no one will ever know.....