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The machines are programmed legally to pay out 90% of what they take in.
It's not that simple, there isn't a blanket percentage that all games are set at. Many factors are involved in determining what any particular game is set to. There are some that are at 99.9%, there are others at 85%, and a myriad of levels in between depending on a number of things.
 

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It's not that simple, there isn't a blanket percentage that all games are set at. Many factors are involved in determining what any particular game is set to. There are some that are at 99.9%, there are others at 85%, and a myriad of levels in between depending on a number of things.
The average is still around 90% give or take.
I’m just saying that slot machines are not an optimal investment opportunity.
 

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No, nothing was changed. Without getting into detail regarding compliance procedures, I can tell you that no changes of that type can be done without a gaming agent present. It isn't physically possible, by design. The gaming commissions were all closed for COVID. We all worked from home doing what we can without visiting casinos. Nothing could've possibly been changed on the casino floors, with respect to how the machines are configured. Games may be moved, rearranged, etc., but that doesn't affect how they mechanically operate.

That's the last freebie. Money talks and BS walks from here on out!! :rotflmao:

you’ve been more helpful than you may realize. Yes, they like to move things around in there - including my favorites - the “Count your Fortune” by Eclipse. I loved those, made thousands off them (over the length of time, never at once), and I believe they got rid of them. And I believed erroneously, I suppose, that the reason they got rid of them was because they paid out too good.
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The average is still around 90% give or take.
I’m just saying that slot machines are not an optimal investment opportunity.
I would disagree with you on the average being around 90%, but your are spot on with them not being an 'optimal investment opportunity'. However, I feel sorry for the person who views them in that manner! I view it as kind of like if you're willing to spend $50 on some entertainment, with a possibility of winning some money, then its all good fun. If you look at it from just the perspective of it being something fun to kill some time, and maybe winning some cash, then I can think of worse ways you could spend that $50. Lord help those who I've seen in a casino spending their rent money, and putting themselves in terrible situations. The temptation will always be there, and there will always be those who cannot gamble responsibly. The same thing can be said of booze, and basically anything else considered a vice. An investment opportunity, absolutely not - without question!!
 

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you’ve been more helpful than you may realize. Yes, they like to move things around in there - including my favorites - the “Count your Fortune” by Eclipse. I loved those, made thousands off them (over the length of time, never at once), and I believe they got rid of them. And I believed erroneously, I suppose, that the reason they got rid of them was because they paid out too good.View attachment 165760
Yeah, it wouldn't have been because they paid out too much. Believe me, those games are tested to standards that'd blow your mind. Mathematical tests are done into the billions of spins to determine the overall theoretical holds that a game will have, and that is documented in amazing detail well before any particular theme ever is approved for use in any particular gaming jurisdiction. There is one reason and one reason only that your favorite game would've been removed from the casino - it didn't get as much play as another game would in it's place. From my time when I was the person on the casino floor doing this work, I'd be an amazingly wealthy man now if I had a buck for every time I heard from a particular casino guest that whatever game I was removing, changing, etc. was their favorite game. It may have been their favorite, but it wasn't the favorite of enough people to make it worth keeping.

Think of it this way, (and these are BS numbers conjured from thin air):
Most casinos on earth track performance through a few metrics, but most widely reference is WPU (Win Per Unit). That's simply a measurement of how much cash and free play was physically put in a game that day, and how much money that game physically cashed out that day. Lets say there was $1000 cash and $50 free play put in to that game on a particular day. It cashed out $800 that day, generating a profit of $150 for that game (after deducting the free play), for that particular day. Let's say the house average is $300 per day, but your game only made $150 while those around it made $300, or even more. Take those daily numbers, run them out for a few months, and average it's WPU for that time against the house average. Standard procedure is to convert the title, or change the cabinet entirely to a game that is more popular. It's as simple as that as to why games are changed or removed. Analytics can get very complicated, very quickly, but that's an easy metric to use to determine the level of success of a game.

VGTs video game terminals? WMS?

Speekin da hinglish please.
Haha. FYI - almost all companies in the gaming industry use acronyms for their names. VGT, AGS, IGT, SG, ATI, etc. VGT stands for Video Gaming Technologies. They are a manufacturer and operator. They were bought out last year by one of the companies we do business with. VGT makes very simple, but pretty fun games and are very popular in this part of the country.

WMS used to be Williams Gaming. They were another very large manufacturer of slot machines. They were bought by Bally Gaming (now known as SG Gaming) who is another slot machine manufacturer.

Not an optimal investment opportunity? That's why there are thousands of them?
I think he was referring to an investment opportunity from a player's perspective. That's how I took it.

OK, seriously, I promise I'm done writing slot machine mini-novels! Any and all assumptions about how casinos operate are entirely and completely accurate moving forward, and will not meet any rebuke on from me!
 
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Yeah, it wouldn't have been because they paid out too much. Believe me, those games are tested to standards that'd blow your mind. Mathematical tests are done into the billions of spins to determine the overall theoretical holds that a game will have, and that is documented in amazing detail well before any particular theme ever is approved for us in any particular gaming jurisdiction. There is one reason and one reason only that your favorite game would've been removed from the casino - it didn't get as much play as another game would in it's place. From my time when I was the person on the casino floor doing this work, I'd be an amazingly wealthy man now if I had a buck for every time I heard from a particular casino guest that whatever game I was removing, changing, etc. was their favorite game. It may have been their favorite, but it wasn't the favorite of enough people to make it worth keeping.

Think of it this way, (and these are BS numbers conjured from thin air):
Most casinos on earth track performance through a few metrics, but most widely reference is WPU (Win Per Unit). That's simply a measurement of how much cash and free play was physically put in a game that day, and how much money that game physically cashed out that day. Lets say there was $1000 cash and $50 free play put in to that game on a particular day. It cashed out $800 that day, generating a profit of $150 for that game (after deducting the free play), for that particular day day. Let's say the house average is $300 per day, but your game only made $150 while those around it made $300, or even more. Take those daily numbers, run them out for a few months, and average it's WPU for that time against the house average. Standard procedure is to convert the title, or change the cabinet entirely to a game that is more popular. It's as simple as that as to why games are changed or removed. Analytics can get very complicated, very quickly, but that's an easy metric to use to determine the level of success of a game.

OK, seriously, I promise I'm done writing slot machine mini-novels! Any and all assumptions about how casinos operate are entirely and completely accurate moving forward, and will not meet any rebuke on from me!

Right. As inane as this sounds, I am
superstitious in my approach to the machines. Not like the lady with the horoscope overlay. But I look for machines that have particular icons. In taking what you have said into consideration, and given my past history on the floor, there is no way my approach could be invalidated by the casino.
 

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Right. As inane as this sounds, I am
superstitious in my approach to the machines. Not like the lady with the horoscope overlay. But I look for machines that have particular icons. In taking what you have said into consideration, and given my past history on the floor, there is no way my approach could be invalidated by the casino.
Do it your way, it about having fun. Play what you enjoy. I see games all the time on a casino floor that I don't find appealing. Not that it really matters, I'm not allowed to play them anyways! I've watched people play games that I thought looked cool, but then I soured on them because of the sound they make when the reels stopped. It was an annoying sound!
 
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Yeppers, your superstition is the right way to go. It beats out all the perceived carpet wear pattern and seat wear players. LOL!
 
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