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Discussion in 'Self Defense and Handgun Carry' started by okierider, May 18, 2017.

  1. Rod Snell

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    TITLE 21 § 1289.6 CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH FIREARMS MAY BE CARRIED


    A. A person shall be permitted to carry loaded or unloaded shotguns, rifles and pistols, open and not concealed, and without a handgun license as authorized by the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act pursuant to the following conditions:

    1. When hunting animals or fowl;

    2. During competition in or practicing in a safety or hunter safety class, target shooting, skeet, trap or other recognized sporting events;

    3. participation in or in preparation for a military function of the state military forces to be defined as the Oklahoma Army or Air National Guard, Federal Military Reserve and active military forces. It is further provided that Oklahoma Army or Air National Guard personnel with proper authorization and performing a military function may carry loaded or unloaded and concealed weapons on Oklahoma Military Department facilities in accordance with rules promulgated by the Adjutant General;

    4. During participation in or in preparation for a recognized police function of either a municipal, county or state government as functioning police officials;

    5. During a practice for or a performance for entertainment purposes;

    6. For lawful self-defense and self-protection or any other legitimate purpose in or on property that is owned, leased, rented, or otherwise legally controlled by the person; or

    7. For any legitimate purpose not in violation of the Oklahoma Firearms Act of 1971 or any legislative enactment regarding the use, ownership and control of firearms.

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    TITLE 21 § 1290.4 UNLAWFUL CARRY


    As provided by Section 1272 of this title, it is unlawful for any person to carry a concealed or unconcealed handgun in this state, except as hereby authorized by the provisions of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act or as may otherwise be provided by law.

    TITLE 21 § 1290.5 TERM OF LICENSE AND RENEWAL

    A. A handgun license when issued shall authorize the person to whom the license is issued to carry a loaded or unloaded handgun, concealed or unconcealed, as authorized by the provisions of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act, and any future modifications thereto.

    https://www.ok.gov/osbi/documents/SDA_LAW_BOOK.pdf
     
  2. SMS

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    I see nothing in that statute that allows an employee to carry without a permit...

    I never understood how gun store employees could carry as well, but they've done it for years.
     
  3. Buzzdraw

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    We're dealing with two different issues here. One is what an individual with a SDA can do to protect himself. The other is what is necessary to carry a firearm to protect an employer's premises. If your employer wants you to carry to protect his property that's outside of the primary purpose of a SDA permit. If you want to carry to protect you that's a slightly different horse but still one that could put you into a legal morass if you do use it on your employer's property. Could be you need a CLEET-approved Armed Security Guard class followed up by a SGA license.
     
  4. okierider

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    What I am doing is working on the property owned by the company, it requires that I mend the perimeter fence and board up windows when the scum bags tear something up. My problem is that it is a high rise bldg with lots of hiding places, and no electric ... So needless to say it gets pretty unnerving when I can hear the intruders on the floors above and below me while working.
    The way I read the law it is private property so as long as the owner has no problem....
    Guess I ought to find a police officer and ask them. The law as with any legalese is not clear LOL


    6. For lawful self-defense and self-protection or any other legitimate purpose in or on property that is owned, leased, rented, or otherwise legally controlled by the person; or

    "or otherwise legally controlled" sounds like it is in my favor ...... but LOL
     
  5. SMS

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    You do not legally control the property in the context of that verbiage.
     
  6. okierider

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    Legally I am in control of that property if the company is asking me to keep it secure!! That is what that means when I read it LOL .... So yes until I get the police or a lawyer to explain this crappy verbiage to me, I will not be carrying anything but mace!!! Which frankly scares the hell out of me ... Bringing mace to a potential gun fight is just silly!!!
     
  7. deerwhacker444

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    Looks like the law reads in your favor. However, have fun explaining #6 to any LEOs who rolls up when someone calls the police about a suspected armed prowler..
     
  8. SMS

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    Legal control doesn't mean your boss gave you the keys and told you to lock up. It means transfer of ownership/usage rights through some legal mechanism like a trust, lease, contract etc...
     
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    I would like to like your post ... but I am thinking you are absolutely correct!!! So I don't like it strictly speaking. Just hope I catch a good week at the OSBI and it does not take 3 months to get my conceal carry license!
     
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    I think you'll be good. They seem to be running faster these days, especially with the online application.
     

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