Constitutional Carry (SB 1212) on the OK House floor 4/23

[Fyrtwuck]

My definition of “Constitutional Carry” is that any person legally able to own/possess a firearm should be able to, concealed or open if they so desire without fees or permits.

I don’t see that in this new updated version of the law.

Training is up to the individual. I would recommend everyone attend a familiarization class. I’ve seen lots of newbies try to put bullets in a magazine backwards and wave a gun around like a character in an old western movie.

I personally know three people who have shot themselves by careless handling. One lost a finger and one now has a permanent limp.

Go to a class
Join a club
Recreational shooting
Become active in shooting sports

 

[SMS]

I guess that's where I see this bill and the concept of "Constitutional Carry" not married very well. A common argument is that training is not a Constitutional prerequisite for exercising right to bear arms in public. But if you make an exception for military because they have training and may be more responsible, you run into a logical conundrum. If it's a matter of trust, why not maintain the status quo where trustworthiness to carry in public is established by training and a thorough background investigation? Or are we establishing two different ages of majority between military and civilians?

Amen. If it is Constitutional Carry, then having special exemptions or "more rights" built into the bill just for veterans is incongruous and pandering.

Contrary to popular belief, your average 18 year old Private, Airman, or Seaman Apprentice has little to no firearms experience or training beyond that which occurs in a very tightly controlled environment with direct, overlord like, and risk averse supervision. They have even less experience or training in the handling and carrying of those firearms in a public environment. Even those in the combat arms fields are given very little exposure in regards to carrying and handling a firearm in a permissive and civil environment, outside of the constructs of a military conflict....especially not fresh out of AIT grunts.

Some 18 year old Army vehicle mechanic or Infantryman has no more right or need to carry a pistol for self defense off base than does an 18 year old single mother working shift in a crappy part of town to pay her bills.

 

[Dave70968]

My definition of “Constitutional Carry” is that any person legally able to own/possess a firearm should be able to, concealed or open if they so desire without fees or permits.

This, plus a removal of a lot of those legal restrictions. A free man is a free man; if he's too dangerous to have a gun, he's too dangerous to be out in public.

Training is up to the individual. I would recommend everyone attend a familiarization class. I’ve seen lots of newbies try to put bullets in a magazine backwards....

To be fair, so did the idiots in HK's marketing department.

 

[CHenry]

My definition of “Constitutional Carry” is that any person legally able to own/possess a firearm should be able to, concealed or open if they so desire without fees or permits.

I don’t see that in this new updated version of the law.

Training is up to the individual. I would recommend everyone attend a familiarization class. I’ve seen lots of newbies try to put bullets in a magazine backwards and wave a gun around like a character in an old western movie.

I personally know three people who have shot themselves by careless handling. One lost a finger and one now has a permanent limp.

Go to a class
Join a club
Recreational shooting
Become active in shooting sports

It's been nicknamed "constitutional carry by the media and others...lol. Its not the name of the bill.

 

[Dave70968]

I just tried to call again; now it doesn't even go to voicemail, it just rings endlessly.

 

[CHenry]

I just tried to call again; now it doesn't even go to voicemail, it just rings endlessly.

They got the point?
Good chance we will hear something soon if they arent taking more calls.

 

[CHenry]

I'll get an update in 40 minutes...one way or the other.

 

[Honey Badger]

Looking forward to hearing the outcome! I hate waiting.

Just sign the damn thing and move on!

 

[NightShade]

I'll get an update in 40 minutes...one way or the other.

Better post your number then, cause in 41 minutes everyone wants to call and hear the news.....

 

[Fredkrueger100]

I just tried to call again; now it doesn't even go to voicemail, it just rings endlessly.

I just called and got through to the voicemail. I pressed two.

Update: I just called again and pressed 1 and got the voicemail to. I have left 4 messages today and two yesterday.