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Read this article. 29 miners died. Corporate lies and misconduct, but what the hell...keep electing those politicians that are for corporate IMMUNITY because BY GOD they love guns....

The Hell with the working man. The Hell with the small business owners. In reality, you are saying the Hell with yourselves and your families, but BY GOD we love our guns...





Massey Kept Fake Safety Records To Throw Off Inspectors, Mine Disaster Victim's Fiancee Says Of Latest MSHA Findings




BEAVER, W.Va. -- Federal investigators have proof that Massey Energy kept fake safety records to throw off inspectors at a southern West Virginia mine where 29 men died in an explosion last year, the fiancee of one of those victims said late Tuesday night.

In a private briefing for the families, officials with the Mine Safety and Health Administration showed relatives of the Upper Big Branch miners side-by-side comparisons of books that purported to document the same shift.

In one authentic production report, underground miner Bobbie Pauley said, Massey reported that its mining machine was shut down because of problems with ventilation and a potentially explosive accumulation of methane gas. The on-shift inspection report, meanwhile, indicated no problems with gas.

"You put in an inspection report what you wanted the inspectors to see," said Pauley, whose fiance Howard "Boone" Payne was among the men killed in the April 5, 2010, blast near Montcoal. "The books, they told two different stories. But I already knew that because I worked there."

Pauley returned to Upper Big Branch only briefly after the explosion and now works at another former Massey operation bought out in a recent takeover by Alpha Natural Resources. She was among about 30 people – nearly half of them lawyers – who attended the briefing for several hours at a mine safety training academy in Beaver.

The nation's deadliest coal mine explosion in four decades remains the subject of a criminal investigation by the U.S. Department of Justice, and MSHA has said it won't release some information to avoid hindering that probe. It largely reiterated its past public statements, offering detail but no blockbuster revelations, family members said.

MSHA contends the explosion started with a small, naturally occurring release of methane gas that was then fueled by coal dust into a devastating inferno that tore through the mine in a series of explosions over a few minutes. The agency has blamed a poorly maintained cutting head on a piece of mining equipment for sparking the blast and a malfunctioning water sprayer for failing to douse it.

An independent investigation commissioned by former Gov. Joe Manchin reached the same conclusion last month.

A public presentation for MSHA's latest findings is set for Wednesday morning. But Pauley and two other relatives, Gary Quarles and Clay Mullins, say the federal team offered nothing new and pushed back the timeline for completion of its final report for at least four more months. They'll now have to wait until October, at the earliest, for a comprehensive report, they said.

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AdvertisementMullins, whose brother Rex died in the blast, said he was frustrated that MSHA continues to blame Massey for the well-documented and serious safety problems at Upper Big Branch, rather than accepting blame for its own failures.

"It's a finger-pointing game: `It's your fault. It's this guy's fault,'" he said. "This whole thing has been very frustrating. We didn't learn anything new.

"Massey didn't do their job, providing these men with a safe work area. MSHA didn't do their job by enforcing the law and making them provide the men with a safe working environment. Same with the state. I blame all three parties," Mullins said. "And I still do. And I will, until the day I die."

Although MSHA acknowledged it needs to do better, he said, it stopped short of apologizing.

"I think they know they're a guilty party in this, too," he said. "They didn't say it that way, but they know."

Manchin's study blamed former owner Massey Energy for ignoring the most basic safety practices in the industry, allowing highly explosive coal dust and methane gas to accumulate when it failed to provide either enough fresh air flow or enough pulverized limestone on the mine's walls to render coal dust inert.

MSHA offered some more detail Tuesday, Pauley said, "but the bottom line is the same: It was preventable. It didn't have to happen."

Quarles said the history of violations spoke for itself. MSHA knew there were problems at Upper Big Branch, he said. Inspectors were in the mine the day of the blast and did nothing.

"Somebody should have stepped up and said we need to take a better look at this mine and, if we have to, go in and shut it down," he said.

"I thought this meeting would give us quite a bit more, and then in a month that it would all be over," said Quarles, whose son Gary Wayne also died. "We didn't learn nothing I didn't already know."

Quarles credited MSHA for acknowledging it could have done a better job.

"And I hope they do," he said. "We don't want to see any more families going through what we had to go through.".
 

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We don't need mine safety regulations or the MSHA or anything else from the gubment.
Leave it to the free market system and everything will work itself out just fine without any Safety regyoulations.




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Don't need no stinking badges either.
 

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Ya know JB no one on this forum would say the families of those talked about in the article you quote shouldn't be fairly compensated for their losses. No one would defend the practices of the company that led to their deaths. No one would deny that in the case you cite the company should have to pay punitive damages.

But you can't see that because you're a self admitted ambulance chaser or maybe just a pot stirrer.

Either way tort reform isn't about eliminating justice from the system; its about cleaning up the system so individuals and businesses don't have to pay for someone else's stupidity or irresponsible actions. Its about eliminating cases that are brought just because the defendant has a whole bunch of money and he'd rather pay than go to court irregardless of whether justice is served. It's about keeping juries from awarding millions to darwin award candidates too stupid not to store gasoline in a glass jar next to a flame heated hot water heater (real case by the way).

Tort reform is about restoring justice to the civil system used to compensate real torts.

But then as a lawyer that is undoubtedly not in your best financial interest. Your feelings are easy to understand. So we forgive you.

So keep on flinging your poo like a zoo primate buddy. We understand, we really do.
 

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Your right, we should just forget about tort reform.

We should socialize all lawyers instead. That way we can control the run away legal expenses without going though the hassle of working out what is fair for everyone.
 

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Either way tort reform isn't about eliminating justice from the system; its about cleaning up the system so individuals and businesses don't have to pay for someone else's stupidity or irresponsible actions. Its about eliminating cases that are brought just because the defendant has a whole bunch of money and he'd rather pay than go to court irregardless of whether justice is served. It's about keeping juries from awarding millions to darwin award candidates too stupid not to store gasoline in a glass jar next to a flame heated hot water heater (real case by the way).

Tort reform is about restoring justice to the civil system used to compensate real torts.

This is what we would LIKE tort reform to be about.........

The reality is that tort reform is not about that.

Tort reform IS simply about protecting insurance companies and corporate interests, neither of which I believe deserve any additional protection than what they currently have.

Michael Brown
 

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Ya know JB no one on this forum would say the families of those talked about in the article you quote shouldn't be fairly compensated for their losses. No one would defend the practices of the company that led to their deaths. No one would deny that in the case you cite the company should have to pay punitive damages.

But you can't see that because you're a self admitted ambulance chaser or maybe just a pot stirrer.

Either way tort reform isn't about eliminating justice from the system; its about cleaning up the system so individuals and businesses don't have to pay for someone else's stupidity or irresponsible actions. Its about eliminating cases that are brought just because the defendant has a whole bunch of money and he'd rather pay than go to court irregardless of whether justice is served. It's about keeping juries from awarding millions to darwin award candidates too stupid not to store gasoline in a glass jar next to a flame heated hot water heater (real case by the way).

Tort reform is about restoring justice to the civil system used to compensate real torts.

But then as a lawyer that is undoubtedly not in your best financial interest. Your feelings are easy to understand. So we forgive you.

So keep on flinging your poo like a zoo primate buddy. We understand, we really do.

What he said...:rotflmao::lmfao::lmfao:
 

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Wolfie, I wish you were correct about Tort Reform, but Michael Brown is exactly right. RickN advocating socialism. Ha ha You guys are all about the "free market" except when it comes to lawyers. Very hypocritical. Do you feel the same way about doctors? How about those who own rental property? Should there be rent control?

I love how you imply that somehow we [plaintiffs' lawyers] are doing something wrong simply because we make good money.
 
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Why not, you guys imply that doctors are doing something wrong for making good money. I am just throwing it back at you.

Face it guys, if it is fair for one group it is fair for all especially since certain legal freedoms ARE guaranteed in the Constitution while healthcare is not. There is also the fact that you guys tend to push outside regulation for every business but your own. Either expect to play by the rules you try to force on everyone else or stop trying to make those rules. And yes I know government makes those rules but they always seem to come about because of lawyers.
 

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